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Comment by keithwhor | Hacker News Reader

On MCP's Streamable HTTP launch I posted a issue asking if we should just simplify everything for remote MCP servers to just be HTTP requests.

https://github.com/modelcontextprotocol/modelcontextprotocol...

MCP as a spec is really promising; a universal way to connect LLMs to tools. But in practice you hit a lot of edge cases really quickly. To name a few; auth, streaming of tool responses, custom instructions per tool, verifying tool authenticity (is the server I'm using trustworthy?). It's still not entirely clear (*for remote servers*) to me what you can do with MCP that you can't do with just a REST API, the latter being a much more straightforward integration path.

If other vendors do adopt MCP (OpenAI and Gemini have promised to) the problem they're going to run into very quickly is that they want to do things (provide UI elements, interaction layers) that go beyond the MCP spec. And a huge amount of MCP server integrations will just be lackluster at best; perhaps I'm wrong -- but if I'm { OpenAI, Anthropic, Google } I don't want a consumer installing Bob's Homegrown Stripe Integration from a link they found on 10 Best MCP Integrations, sharing their secret key, and getting (A) a broken experience that doesn't match the brand or worse yet, (B) credentials stolen.

Quick follow up:

I anticipate alignment issues as well. Anthropic is building MCP to make the Anthropic experience great. But Anthropic's traffic is fractional compared to ChatGPT - 20M monthly vs 400M weekly. Gemini claims 350M monthly. The incentive structure is all out of whack; how long are OpenAI and Google going to let an Anthropic team (or even a committee?) drive an integration spec?

Consumers have barely interacted with these things yet. They did once, with ChatGPT Plugins, and it failed. It doesn't entirely make sense to me that OpenAI is okay to do this again but let another company lead the charge and define the limitations of the end user experience (because that what the spec ultimately does, dictates how prompts and function responses are transported), when the issue wasn't the engineering effort (ChatGPT's integration model was objectively more elegant) but a consumer experience issue.

The optimistic take on this is the community is strong and motivated enough to solve these problems as an independent group, and the traction is certainly there. I am interested to see how it all plays out!

OpenAI takes the backseat and wait until something stable/usable comes out of it which gains traction and takes it over then. Old classic playbook to let others make the mistakes and profit from it…

> It's still not entirely clear (for remote servers) to me what you can do with MCP that you can't do with just a REST API,

Nothing, as far as I can tell.

> the latter being a much more straightforward integration path.

The (very) important difference is that the MCP protocol has built in method discovery. You don't have to 'teach' your LLM about what REST endpoints are available and what they do. It's built into the protocol. You write code, then the LLM automatically knows what it does and how to work with it, because you followed the MCP protocol. It's quite powerful in that regard.

But otherwise, yea it's not anything particularly special. In the same way that all of the API design formats prior to REST could do everything a REST API can do.

In other words, MCP is RESTful (as in, it has HATEOAS) and "REST" is not

I’m really glad to see people converging on this view because I feel a bit insane for not understanding all the hype.

Like, yeah, we need a standard way to connect LLMs with tools etc, but MCP in its current state is not a solution.

Once I published the blog post, I ended up doing a similar thing the other day. https://github.com/modelcontextprotocol/modelcontextprotocol...

From reading your issue, I'm not holding my breath.

It all kind of seems too important to fuck up

In the grand scheme of things I think we are still very early. MCP might be the thing which is why I'd rather try and contribute if I can; it does have a grassroots movement I haven't seen in a while. But the wonderful thing about the market is that incentives, e.g. good customer experiences that people pay for, will probably win. This means that MCP, if it remains the focal point for this sort of work, will become a lot better regardless of whether or not early pokes and prods by folks like us are successful or not. :)

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