One of my many probably-going-nowhere hobby projects is a modern Prolog. I think the module system especially is a place where we need innovation.
I'd like to see someone do for Prolog what Clojure did for Lisp.
I'd like to see someone do for Prolog what Clojure did for Lisp.
Hickey’s goal was improving JVM programming ergonomics. It was not changing Common Lisp (or Scheme).
Sure, Clojure exposed some programmers to lisp, but lisp shops didn’t convert to Clojure. JVM shops did adopt it in part because Clojure “is just a Java library.”
So full of themselves on how much better they are than Java.
It puts me off having a programming language that depends on the Java the Virtual Machine, Java the programming language, Java the ecosystem, so that their language could exist in first place, and then talk down on it.
Still waiting on Scala Native or Kotlin Native to take over JVM and the standard library.
Clojure community isn't like that, while they try to stay on Lisp like land, they embrace the ecosystem (JVM and JS), without putting it down at every opportunity.
You have it exactly backwards, I'm afraid.
Why do I care what is written in Scala, how well it interoperates with the JVM, or whatever Scala projects are successful, when I am talking about how human beings talk down about another piece technology, its limitations and warts, how it prevents the language greatness, that by accident happens to be the underlying infrastructure of their beloved language?
Do you rather have links to discussions on Reddit, Twitter discussions and what not?
I never said anything about the creator specifically.
There are always a few loudmouths in every community, you are making the classic mistake of judging everyone by that same brush. Most people using Scala are using it exactly because of the JVM, otherwise what's the point? There are great languages on other platforms too.
A few people use it to push the boundaries of what's possible on the JVM, and it is thanks to these people and the Scala team themselves that the JVM continues its evolution and the Java language continues to acquire more Scala-like features. It's not a zero-sum game, everyone is benefitting here.
The project as a whole exists and everything, but even things like just having an easy-to-install implementation on Homebrew hasn't happened yet, so if you're up for some sweat and tears and low hanging fruit, it feels right to me!