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People who can leave will, people who can’t are hosed. Better luck in 4 years after another ~8-10M voters have aged out (~5k-7k/day).

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If only we had the collective right of recall, like the Haudenosaunee government that the US is in part based on, rather than having to wait years.

Edit: "if only", ha. If only it were that simple.

is collective recall the new buzz word for anti-democracy?

Nothing wrong with being anti democracy. Peter Thiel said "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible,” and I find it hard to disagree with him at this point. The average American is at a 7th-8th grade reading level, for example. Not much pride in being dragged by that quality of electorate.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/14/politics/the-biggest-predicto...

One has to wonder whether the billionaire might have other motives for being anti-democracy than a fervent belief in 'freedom'

Oh, no, of course. We can both agree democracy is a failure for different reasons.

Why do you think democracy is a failure? And what systems do you think should replace it?

Recent examples:

https://19thnews.org/2025/05/missouri-abortion-rights-laws-p...

https://moritzlaw.osu.edu/unchecked-power-ohio-general-assem...

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/a...

I don't see how that demonstrates that democracy is a failure. Maybe it demonstrates that democracy in America is a failure, but that's a stretch too IMO.

Anyway, what systems do you think would be better? Specifically curious how they'd be immune to the issues outlined in those links.

How is collective recall anti-democracy?

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