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Congratulations on your achievement.

However, this is one of my frustrations about Teams - it absolutely sucks, and what few integrations it has from Microsoft absolutely sucks. You are already paying too much to MS for it to not be working properly.

God knows how much my company is giving to Microsoft for us to have crappy and expensive (read: time wasting) experiences with Teams, Windows 11 onboarding, Azure DevOps (better than what wr had, at least), Visual Studio 2022, etc.

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In my (admittedly very limited) experience, Teams was almost free when you're already paying for microsoft 365. At least last time I had any involvement with it, the price difference between having teams in the bundle or not was negligible. It makes it cheaper than any competitor.

Now in reality, I think the true cost is hidden by the frustration it causes (some?) users, but it's very hard to quantify that in a dollar amount. Which is why companies stick with Teams.

The hidden cost is also the removal of competition. Google get more heat for browser "monopoly" when they even provide a free browser base for others to customise, and Microsoft gets almost none for incredibly overwhelmingly anti-competitive behaviour around lock-in to Office, Teams, Sharepoint, Azure.

Microsoft charged with EU antitrust violations for bundling Teams (The Verge, 25 Jun 2024) – https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/25/24185467/microsoft-teams-...

It's true. But I was more talking about how they're respectively considered in HN commentland.

Yup. That's because they had actual competition in the space. Throwing a (bad) Slack clone for free was a way of preserving and extending their monopoly.

But you're still paying for it. The costs to build and fund the product still exist, and are still coming out of customer payments. Manipulating their pricing to manipulate their customers doesn't change that.

At least there is a lot of room for improvement for entrepreneurs likes me ;)

For c#/cpp visual studio is really, really good

Jetbrains rider blows Visual Studio out of the water, but it's not Microsoft, so our company doesn't use it.

as someone who works in visual studio on c# every day of my life, I have the opposite opinion. it's awful

In how many programming ecosystems have you worked in?

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