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FSD is something you can BUY and USE right now. Toyota is writing an MoU. They’re not the same.

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Waymo is something that actually drives itself and you can hail right now. FSD is not actually “full self-driving”.

Tesla doesn't even call it that, there's “(Supervised)” after that. That's like calling it “Full Self-Driving (Not!)”.

FSD can’t self drive on any street though. Its just L2 like cruise control and lane centering.

I use it every day on every street in Vancouver. Where do you come up with your information?

You’re driving. Why you can’t watch a movie like you can on a Mercedes L3 car.

The ODD for drive pilot is so limited, I don’t think it’s really comparable. I have very little faith that their approach will scale to anything more than a traffic jam pilot gimmick.

It’s fair to argue that FSD is limited as well but I believe their approach is much more scalable.

FSD is not approved to work on any street. Drive Pilot is approved for highway speeds in EU. Limitations is what the government allows.

It's not just speed, its things like requiring lead vehicles, only highways speeds in the far right lane (likely for localization), weather, etc. The approach drive pilot is taking, with their technical investment and sensor suite, will not scale to urban/suburban driving.

FSD, in the states, works on approximately every street, parking lot/garage, etc.

If you car crashed while using "FSD", who would be liable?

What you're buying is not driving, by itself, fully.

Mine drove me from my house to the airport without my ever touching the steering wheel so what exactly do you mean?

Adaptive cruise control could do that too.

How impressive it is depends on where you live.

> Adaptive cruise control could do that too.

No, it could not.

Do you even drive? Or have you tried using any of the features discussed above. I think I’m going insane seeing people comparing cruise control (lol) to FSD. One is a line follower, the other is a teenage driver with a fresh license. They’re not the same.

Oh please, just because it can do (bad, sometimes horribly dangerous) turns doesn't mean that 99.9% of the time it's not just a glorified cruise control with lane centering.

I owned a Model 3 with FSD. I own a Mach-E with BlueCruise. They're equivalent for the majority of drives I've done.

It sounds like you're recklessly interpreting the parameters by which your "self driving" car was made available to you

Did it also drive itself back to your home empty?

All I’m saying is that starting FSD from park in my driveway and having it drive to my destination with my hands on my legs and then having it park itself when it gets there seems reasonable to call “full self driving” to me. I pay for the subscription and I would continue paying if it never got any better. I do live in a rural state, so maybe that’s why it works so well.

Let's see it do that in the snow, heavy rain, anything that doesn't replicate ideal conditions in SoCal. You're riding on the sweet spot of a Gaussian and at some point you're going to experience an outlier when the machine makes a wrong interpretation of its inputs.

Having used cars that had that "supervised" driving feature.... Gosh, I hope you were paying 100% attention the whole time of that driving experience you described. Even the smart cruise control features I've used allowed my mind to drift, and I was glad for the beeping from the steering wheel telling me to pay attention. I don't use those features anymore.

If it's full self driving, then I assume that Tesla is paying for your insurance and taking all responsibility for any crashes it causes in your car?

If you can't sit in the backseat and watch a movie, it's not self driving.

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