Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea
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"...lot of articles and comments about deepfakes saying, ‘Why is it a serious crime when it’s not even your real body?’”"
This seems like a deep societal issue that cannot be solved through harsh criminal penalties alone.
These are of course real issues, which is why this is going to be an increasingly large problem. The easiest way to ‘deal’ with them is to double down on them - aka [https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3jfqo9/til_t...] - but not very many people have the, uh, testicular fortitude to be able to do that.
Especially women.
Neo-Victorian’ism anyone?
Dictators have been murdered over nothing, let alone scandals - but he was strong enough at the time that yes, it would have just propped up his image.
Teachers rarely have that degree of control of their environment.
SK (like most Asian societies) also has a huge ‘crabs in a bucket’ problem, also known as ‘the nail that sticks out gets hammered down’.
The Victorian era saw most women (statistically) in unstable relationships, and a great many using prostitution to support themselves. Which also gave them a lot of individual freedom.
It was also a time of incredible social mobility, and also fraud.
The ‘prudishness’ was as much society trying to use shaming and in group/out group dynamics to maintain control and some degree of integrity to limit the damage from the widespread disruption of the social fabric.
It also was applied against men, but men are able to leave easier/escape, as they don’t have the biological issue of being pregnant/young kids in tow to slow them down.
Which is also why so many of the middle class had to do things like rent tableware (or even food), etc. to appear ‘upper class’ to avoid being kicked out of whatever support circle they needed, and keep some semblance of propriety.
It was an extremely unstable time for everyone, precisely because so many were ‘free’.
Society is, and always will be, a giant ouroboros/wheel of control, influence, fighting for independence, etc.
The reason why women get stomped on to try to deprive them of sexual agency and autonomy, is precisely because they have so much power with sexual agency.
Most women, if unrestricted, can get most men to do almost anything they want using sex.
Most men, if unrestricted, can then leave to go do something else, leaving the woman ‘holding the bag’ when she is pregnant.
Birth control has unhinged the equation quite a lot, and free flow of information is doing so even more.
That scares all the rest of the women, and many of the men, which is why we have what we have. The more freedom is actually present, the more unhinged the attacks eventually become. Because the goal is control, even if it is pathological control.
Interesting times, eh?
You have a deeply negative view of my sex. Do you seriously believe that all men are robots who loose all agency when they're horny? If so, why isn't all the world run by women?
North and South are two magnetic poles that can only exist because the other does.
Structured one way, they can form one of the most powerful and directed kinds of motors possible. Structured another, one of the most destructive forces possible. If aware.
Unstructured or mixed up, just makes a chaotic goo, or nothing at all.
Would you take a similar negative view on ‘most men, uncontrolled, can kill almost anything that walks on this earth.’? Do you think that makes lions, tigers, bears, etc. little blobs of jelly ripe for the taking?
Personally, I take it as a super power, because it is true - despite them definitely not being blobs of jelly. Just like what I said above, despite all men definitely not being robots.
A really dedicated person might crank out a painting or two per week, and a minuscule fraction of the population has the skills to do so at all. Around the turn of the millennium, a much larger (but still small) fraction of the population had access and skills to use digital photo editing tools, and it still took quite some time if you wanted to make something convincing.
I am fairly confident that if one were to spend an hour or two researching how, a significant fraction of the population could generate dozens of images in a single evening.
Impersonating someone else is always a serious crime. We call it fraud.
It’s 10000% mostly used for creating this kind of horrifying content.
I can't identify a victim in this scenario. Whose business is it? I genuinely couldn't care less if someone did this "to" me, but then I recognise that as a middle aged dude that's not ever happening so I may have a blind spot here. How would I even know unless, ironically, the investigation and prosecution publicised the fact that it exists?
>in September, legislators passed an amendment that made possessing and viewing deepfake porn punishable by up to three years in prison.
This is insane.
For instance, that Star Trek episode where Barclay was simulating the crew and having ‘relationships’ with them on the holodeck - in ‘real life’ the crew would have ostracized him, at the minimum.
In ‘real real life’, he might have just gotten murdered, ahem, ‘had a transporter accident’.
It’s similar. Yeah, logically ‘no one was getting hurt’, but people aren’t logical that way. For a reason, frankly.
And if you think of it as a prelude to something much more disturbing and direct happening (which it well might), then it makes sense to have the ‘disproportionate’/illogical reaction. Those emotions are warning people of an imminent threat, and they’d be fools to ignore them, regardless of what anyone says.
I imagine it won’t be long before this is used to try to ban porn entirely, since ‘there is no way to be sure’. And then crack down on chat groups, social media, etc. since that is where any of the legit problematic content is going to be distributed most of the time eh?
And the harm comes from sharing this material. So stopping people from possessing it as with lot of other material is not worse way to stop spread. Defence of I did not create it is not usable anymore.
Japan has been going in a similar direction, but has some notable differences (tentacle porn really is a thing, as is chibi).
Everyone is just becoming more aware of it, which hey - at least it isn’t just all about the USA anymore!
I don’t even know why chibi would be on your list since it’s just a style of drawing cartoons with big heads.
Every culture has their variant of this.
For example, Indians would never tolerate the level of alcohol consumption that is essentially mandatory to hold office jobs in SK and Japan.
And SK and Japan wouldn’t (to my knowledge) tolerate the level of societal control over marriages/sex/personal identity that Indian culture considers normal. And definitely wouldn’t tolerate the lack of civic sense.
Chibi was an indirect reference to what western cultures refer to as CSAM (in not-as-uncommon-as-outsiders assume cases). Too subtle eh?
Do you want me to get more specific? It’s not like Akiba and several other nearby distracts are actually about just maid cafes (actual-what-they-purport-to-be ones anyway) and cheap electronics, eh?
Every culture has things like this, yes. And the bizarre (to the reader) and outrageous (to the reader) articles get clicks.
Sure, subtle, or maybe downright cryptographic. I would describe it as cryptographic.
> Do you want me to get more specific?
I think your general point is unclear. Maybe you could explain your overall point in general terms first, before going into specifics. Or maybe you could start with specifics to motivate the broader point you’re making. I think the bottom line here is that when you say Japan is going in a “similar direction”, I have no idea what direction you think that is.
> It’s not like Akiba and several other nearby distracts are actually about just maid cafes (actual-what-they-purport-to-be ones anyway) and cheap electronics, eh?
Neighborhoods aren’t “about” something, so when you say that Akiba isn’t “actually about just maid cafes”… obviously, because Akiba isn’t about anything. If you are winking at the camera and trying to insinuate that I know what Akiba is “about”, it’s not going to communicate anything about Akiba. This has all the hallmarks of how people communicate crackpot theories, and the antidote is to explain things in plain terms with direct language.
This article even touches on it, for example, in that just possessing deep-faked porn is punishable by up to 3 years imprisonment. There are many men who will literally never experience a woman's touch, are shunned, isolated, ridiculed, shamed, and even hated by society. They are not bad people, their only crime is not being attractive. Who are they hurting if they get their rocks off privately fantasising about a woman with the help of AI and image editors? It's downright cruel.
Men may kill you, but women will make you wish you were dead.
The reason it becomes like this is due to a fight for control, often a pathological one.
Men will make terrible comments and poison the well to try to drive women (and other men) to them for ‘safety’, as a show of force. No one wants to be on the losing/weak side. And by painting all men as scary, they undermine their competition, and by being blatantly the scariest without consequence they show they are the strongest. See what is happening in US politics. Being visibly scary is a form of marketing/recruitment.
Women will make terrible comments and poison the well to stop men (and other women) from leaving because the outside world is too scary, or the alternatives are too scary. No one wants to leave ‘safety’ to get eaten by a monster. And better the devil you know, than the one you don’t eh? Women will often be covertly scary, because their goal is usually retention, not recruitment.
You’re watching the war of control unfold.
And, again: you do not need deepfake porn to have love and happiness, even an illusion of it. I personally think better of men than to think that a fake nudie pic of the neighbor's wife would be the keystone of their mental wellbeing. If anything is misandry, it's thinking of men as a bunch of sex-crazed gremlins.
May I decree that women do not need social media to have love or happiness so it's ok to ban it, under threat of imprisonment if they access it?
Is anything arbitrarily open to prohibition if it doesn't meet your extraordinarily high bar of being the "keystone of mental wellbeing"?
What sick joy do you derive from depriving peaceful lonely desperate men this one small outlet? It's misandry.
All porn disgusts me and yet your cruelty and total lack of empathy is so repugnant that, unbelievably, I'm here batting for coomers. Bravo.
South Korea still has male only slavery in army.
There are facebook groups where female share revenge porn, "are we dating the same guy" or "does this look infected?".
the word's main useful purpose is signaling which internet comments are written by specific types of men ;)
For example it's very difficult to live off a single income now so women can't be stay-at-home mothers, and childcare is extremely expensive in most countries.
It’s not that far-fetched to think that could happen again one day - perhaps over AI and computers, perhaps over something else. All you need to do is convince enough people with weapons that you’re the moral compass of the time.
Maybe outlaw any app not on an app store.
Just some (dystopic) ideas.
Like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Environment_Integrity