On Jane Jacobs (2017)
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[1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1471846.A_Schoolteacher_...
I personally think she was a bit too trusting of the (cybernetics-adjacent?) idea of order spontaneously arising from chaos.
Stewart Brand Interviews Jane Jacobs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37969169 - Oct 2023 (1 comment)
Jane Jacobs' Legacy (2006) [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29947020 - Jan 2022 (6 comments)
Jane Jacobs' Radical Legacy (2006) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22228562 - Feb 2020 (1 comment)
Jane Jacobs: The Champion of Little Plans - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17262331 - June 2018 (15 comments)
An Ad Hoc Affair: Jane Jacobs’s Clear-Eyed Vision of Humanity - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13577008 - Feb 2017 (17 comments)
Bright Lights, Small Government: Why libertarians adore Jane Jacobs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13038972 - Nov 2016 (3 comments)
The Prophecies of Jane Jacobs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12772983 - Oct 2016 (15 comments)
It's the cities, stupid – Jane Jacobs' macroeconomics (2005) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10834435 - Jan 2016 (26 comments)
A Conversation with Jane Jacobs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5850288 - June 2013 (1 comment) (<-- posted by pg!)
How Jane Jacobs saved New York City's soul - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3091165 - Oct 2011 (3 comments)
Also, I sort of wish the language around “big plans from the center of power” was more… nuanced I guess. Like we can believe that centralized organizations generally are not so bad for producing healthcare guidance but still not want them to make people’s healthcare decisions for them.
There's another hidden razor edge in the call to download accountabilities. (The other side advocates for only distributing resources, for good reason: local centers of power are also ripe for abuse)
Crucially, it's the abstractions themselves that need to be fine-tuned. Jacobs had her own blunt ones-- I'd even say that yours sharpens the (overly-)general prescriptions that came out of Systems of Survival :)
It won't be a bad idea to fixate on oxymorons, because that's what these "life-giving razor edges" shall look to like to us mortals, for now. An older one is festina lente, due to Augustus. A center of power handing out .. Something
So I'm not actually seeing any dissonance or contradiction from inside communities that appreciate her work?
Really great book on the nature of corruption. And really the problem with capitalism.
The two "moral syndromes" she describes are a great framework to understand why, for example, people cannot easily switch from business to government work: different moral systems apply (aka her "systems of survival").
A big mega corp lobbying the government is in a way, a hybrid. And that is in a nutshell one of the fundamental problems we face in society. Is Donald Trump a hybrid? Donalds business interests are combining with a system that was designed to be honorable (the presidency).
BTW, what does conservative mean?
It's a running gag that liberals don't liberate and that conservatives don't conserve but I think liberals who liberate and conservatives who conserve have something to contribute.
I think Jane's respect for existing institutions, places and organizations that arise out of markets and fear of centralized planning are conservative. It makes me think of how Petroski wrote a whole book about pencils that comes to the conclusion that central planning doesn't work because no individual knows how to make a pencil.
But this conservativism you speak of, it's such a squishy term. Respect for existing institutions, places and organizations fits when it fits and then doesn't when it doesn't. Right now, it doesn't.
Buckley (oh so nobly) said A conservative is someone who stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it. But then he also said that he'd be for the most right, viable candidate who could win. So much for standing athwart history.
I don't know much about her politics, besides that she left the US for Canada over opposition to the Vietnam War.
Urban left-leaning people tend to like her because she's very human-scale focused. Many use her anti-highway work to rally against other change (often private and market oriented. Though I love her work to death, I've found a lot of what most of us would call NIMBYs and champagne socialists cite her when opposing a lot of stuff (housing they don't like, etc).
This reason interview (libertarian org) outlines a lot of it: https://reason.com/2001/06/01/city-views-2/
https://mises.org/mises-daily/jane-jacobs-libertarian-outsid...
(Big Jacobs fan over here, I've studied her to death)
If we look outside the area of urbanism, the picture becomes less clear. For example, Jacobs was anti-Communist, which we'd consider to be a conservative position by definition, but was well within the bounds of mainstream politics across the spectrum in the time she was most active. She also was outspokenly pro-union, which is decidedly not a conservative position in modern politics.
So yes, you can call Jane Jacobs a conservative if you want to use Edmund Burke as a reference point, but honestly, using Edmund Burke to define conservatism is almost a sleight-of-hand parlor trick, given how much modern-day conservatives actually disagree with Edmund Burke himself about.
I suppose that is also part of the joy in Jane.
I'll ask here as I did above, what is conservatism?
It's wrong (the shoe-horse), But a lot of people think(have been told) that.
See also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Nisbet
and the really good book
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2421900.Watch_On_The_Rig...
which I didn't read when I was a kid and found it at the public library because the first chapter was about how William F. Buckley was a pompous ass but I came to enjoy as an adult because in later chapters he finds a lot of positive things to say about conservative thinkers 40 years ago when the movement had a better positive/negative ratio.