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For those who still use IRC, but maybe on other platforms than Windows, HexChat could be considered a spiritual successor to mIRC, but it's also open source and available on a ton of platforms. Just a happy user here, not affiliated in any way.
Edit: Hm, seems it was some time ago I checked out the news/blog of HexChat, seems like last version was a year ago. I still use it without problems, but maybe people could share any active forks if they know about them?
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And it's time for my biweekly shoutout to iced, the wonderful GUI library used by halloy
"X but in Rust" seems like the primary purpose for Rust to exist as far as I can tell.
Not only they are alive and the best resource for many things (modding, hardware, radio, photography, specific car brands) but I swear 99% of work-related discussions would benefit from having a forum as their central hub, instead of the split of slack/teams/jira/mails/videocalls.
As someone who still consumes threads like that, it's part of the charm and beauty. None of the stuff is ranked/upvoted/liked, no one is competing to have the most followers, just conversations/arguments between humans for the sake of communication and understanding. Requires a bit more time and effort to read, true, but everyone being equal makes it feel like a pretty OK tradeoff, at least for me.
Of course, not all forums are like that, some still have vanity-metrics, but at least the forums I still participate work like that.
Post count yes, that's pretty common. But if the forum you use is any good, they'd actively combat posts/threads that aren't actually contributing to the conversation.
One of the biggest and most active forum in Sweden is actually pretty good at this, probably mostly thanks to its ~100 iron fist moderators who do such a great job with cleaning up posts that aren't contributing to the discussions at hand. That it also have a really extensive set of rules also helps.
The upvote/downvote should serve the utility of promoting/suppressing relevant/irrelevant content to the discussion. It's a "vote what's relevant", not "vote what you agree on" button.
Also, if you disagree with someone you can just move on, you don't have to answer.
From HN's guidelines:
> Users should vote and comment when they run across something they personally find interesting—not for promotion.
From Reddit's Reddiquette:
> If you think something contributes to conversation, upvote it. If you think it doesn't contribute to the community it's posted in or is off-topic in a particular community, downvote it.
I’ve had fully scientifically sourced rebukes of things (effectively, straight up facts) get downvoted to oblivion on Reddit. Hundreds or thousands of people didn’t see that their preconceived notions were probably wrong. It’s no wonder politics has become more insular.
HN is better than most, thankfully.
Indeed. Sometimes purely factual (but disliked/"too real") comments get like -200 upvotes, with no chance of redemption, even if it's pretty obvious everything is factual and adds to the topic.
Sometimes that happens on HN as well, but I've noticed that eventually it'll turn around. So saying something "true + unpopular + knee-jerk-inducing" can trigger a flood of 5-10 downvotes, but it eventually turns around as people seem to upvote heavily downvoted comments more, I guess.
I'd like to see someone post the link of retail macOS 15 is not UNIX, only a bastardized version of macOS 15 configured in-house at Apple passed UNIX 03 cert.
Thread would probably die on the vine given the number of users in that subreddit who reference "it's UNIX"!
Reddit has entirely turned into a downvote == disagree/opinion I don't like.
You would be randomly asked to meta moderate random moderations.
Of course, that presents many other problems. A corporation using AI to steer what discourse is worthy of promotion and what isn't in social networks has already caused much harm. Many things can be said about it.
But as a thought experiment, I think it's an interesting one. Much good could be done, advertisers and financial interests permitting.
I think the major advantage of old forums is the community. You don’t really get the sense of community on a large network, which causes a host of other problems.
1: https://web.archive.org/web/20170728043031/https://egg.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/jisaku/1478413388/
2: https://web.archive.org/web/20170715143439/http://egg.2ch.net/jisaku/subback.htmlThere's rarely reasons for that.
Example on MBWorld:
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w212-109/
Example from HWUpgrade (italian hardware forum):
https://www.hwupgrade.it/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=13
I regularly read many forums to date and they are a great fit for long running discussions.
They are less confusing than slack/jira but easier to consume than email threads.
> it's not suitable for tickets (jira)
You can literally open a thread per ticket, same way you would open an issue on GH.
With good organization and barely any moderation you can go far.
I swear 20+ years ago we organized 80+ people World of Warcraft guilds all through forums (progress, economy, race-specific discussions, meetings, politics, website development, extensions, etc) and nobody ever felt like "yeah, it would've been better with a reddit/hn-style board or in a chat". Ever.
Yet today I'm split across 4 inefficient communication channels, plus another two/three different softwares for issues like GH/GitLab, documentation (confluence) involving half a dozen people lol.
You're 100% right though, it's not suitable for real time communication. I wouldn't want it to be. Facebook groups have "chats" now, and it's mega impossible to keep up, and nobody actually reads them.
It's not because of the threaded comments with vanity-metrics, I can tell you that :) I've gone as far as to write my own HN client that displays HN comments as a flat list of comments, sorted by date that also folds in whatever they replied to as a proper quote, so you can follow along. Looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/TNfg9Vg.png
Surely, I cannot be alone in sometimes going extreme lengths to remove this sort of pointless popularity sorting?
This is super cool! I don't suppose it would be easy to share?
It's a good place to talk stuff that's popular, but discussions fade and die quickly.
Also, I still use vBulletin-like forums.
Examples from the last decade I still use: mbworld.org for discussing Mercedes cars, bitcointalk, hwupgrade, overclockers.uk and some others.
Reddit/Twitter absolutely cannot replace any of those I listed for long lasting specific discussions, they are just unfit.
I surely am not the only one that often skips to comments without even reading the article, which is tantamount to saying “I don’t have time to form my own opinion. Tell me what to believe about this topic”
Although in other ways I do agree with your sentiment. The discussions happening there were usually of higher quality and nuance than you see online now. There are many factors to that though, including some that have nothing to do with vBulletin itself.
Sounds like a theme issue rather than vBulletin issue. Most of the vBulletin forums (of yore at least) were so heavily customized you couldn't even tell it was vBulletin, except for the ever present smileys :rolleyes:
Agree :) Consensus in the development community seems to be "Everything should be in Discord/Slack/Teams", so moving towards what you mention would be great.
> I think that's where the real problem lies
That certainly does sound like an issue, but I cannot say I've ever experienced it myself, maybe I've been lucky. At "worst", sometimes there is one tool for private/internal use, but for public community, Discord would be chosen, for example. But never "We're using both Slack and Teams internally", that'd be crazy.
The number of times a development community I want to join is exclusively on Discord though, instead of a public forum, is something I constantly encounter.
Discord is a replacement for IRC and Ventrilo/Teamspeak/Mumble. It's NOT a replacement for forums or subreddits, no matter how much people try to push it as one.
Yeah, you can't easily back up all your discussions, but most people weren't doing that with IRC anyways.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but the way that normally works, is that you go to the last post you remember reading, then continue from there. So start at last page, go back until you remember what you're coming across, continue reading from there.
Probably only works for small/medium-sized forums though, the biggest forum I frequent only have ~20-40K users active and most (popular) threads die after 300-400 posts.
>Edit: Hm, seems it was some time ago I checked out the news/blog of HexChat, seems like last version was a year ago.
Pretty sure it's had security updates more recent than that, but I don't really pay attention.
If it works, don't fix it...
I read HN in hexchat, on Libera.chat ##hntop...
mIRC was at some point the most popular Windows IRC client, but that's about it.
I know I shouldn't be upset as I did get a ton of use out of mIRC in the 90s/2000's and they probably didn't expect it to still be around and updated to this day, but expiring something sold as lifetime just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. They should have honored all previous lifetime licenses and just made new ones follow the new rules.
You can see the changes on various pages here [1] pre 2016 and post 2016
[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20160215000000*/https://www.mirc...
That almost alleviates my guilt over having used it forever without paying for it.
That does not seem to hold true..
I do recall that the older licenses expired, but my current active mIRC license was issued September 2018.
I have been using the license I bought in 2010 for the last 15 years now. I have, since then, ended up purchasing several licenses for friends and none have had issues updating. I recently just reinstalled using that 2010 license.
He will retain the information for a license for up to a year to retrieve it again
Full text copied from [1] for ease of reading
>> Question: I have an old registration that is not working, can you help? Answer: When I originally offered a lifetime license in 1995, it seemed like a kind and fair thing to do. However, I did not expect that I would still be working on mIRC twenty-five years later. The lifetime license means that I am still supporting and providing updates to every user that has ever registered. This has become gradually more difficult and has reached the point where, sadly, it is just no longer possible. If your registration is over ten years old, if you can, please consider registering again. Your continued support for mIRC would be really appreciated. If you register again, you will receive an updated registration automatically. If you cannot afford to register again, or would rather not, that's okay, just email me. However, please be aware that it will take time for me to reply.
[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20201001000000*/https://www.mirc...
I remember doing an "AI" bot that you could talk to. If it recognized any words you said it would get a random predefined string from a .txt and send it to you. And a lot of "hacking" scripts. Fun times.
NoNameScript was extremely inspiring in that regard. Not to mention the color theme of Brevduva Script.
Good times!
We have WeeChat now but IRC doesn't feel the same. It was the Instagram of our time.
It’s weird how that scene has just disappeared and no one seems to have written about it in retrospective. I keep thinking I should be the one to write about an article about that long lost art, but it’s so long ago and memory is a bit hazy.
I was so annoyed when I moved to Linux and I had to chat with KVIRC which was so inflexible and rigid compared to mIRC.
You could write entire projects in mIRC, there was more or less nothing you could not do.
You can write custom UIs, use raw TCP/UPP sockets.. you could write mIRC in mIRC.
It was in its time quite empowering. Very few languages were mature enough to truly compete with it for simplicity in it's time (even Visual Basic, which would win out on UI, but lose on sockets etc)
But, perhaps, we're just not young anymore.
That, but also Discord is basically what people use on computers for communication today, and Discord also has bots.
Of course, you cannot just willy-nilly write your own client for a Discord bot without dealing with tons of hassle, compared to how easy it is to write something that uses the IRC protocol, so not sure it's the same "instant gratification".
Always had some joker that had download some nefarious script (legit script-kiddies), that they'd share on the channels - and eventually get permabanned from.
Then MSN messenger became popular, and kind of drove away the more casual users. And after that social media became a thing, and the rest is history. Haven't really used IRC in 20 years now. The people that continued to use IRC were mostly gamers, for team chats etc. But I guess discord killed that, too.
I downloaded this version to see if that was still the case, and sadly the about page no longer includes a photo.
Sometimes I pop into HexChat but the servers I used to use aren't there or not as good. Freenode? I think it was called.
Games used to be split by disk files, i.e. 1.44mb individual files, and I would download 1 - 10 overnight while my friend would grab 11 - 20. We'd later call each other and use Zmodem to build a full set each.
Fun time to be on the internet.
I totally forgot about warez being backwards sometimes. I still visit #bookz but don't really pirate games and other media much anymore. Piracy really is a service issue and not a pricing problem once you're an adult with real money.
Security was basically non-existent or so badly implemented that it was a joke.
Some fond memories of my early teenage years:
- Causing net splits to steal ops / takeover IRC channels
- As part of a warez group, using site to site FTP transfers to move massive (at that time) amounts of warez without being limited by my 14400 modem
- How crazy easy it was to crash/DOS pretty much any computer on the internet
- Taking over company networks just for fun, and putting in backdoors that drove the sysadmins nuts
Yeah, I was a shithead teenager, and am sincerely sorry to the sysadmins I messed with, as I am a sysadmin myself now.
Eventually I ended up having many FBI-instigated meetings with the RCMP Commercial Crimes Division... They had boxes upon boxes of paper printouts from sniffing my connections.
I think I got off partially because of my age (about 14). But also the fact that the telecom company I was using had illegally sniffed incoming telnet sessions to my Linux box before there was any warrant, and had logged in using credentials they had sniffed to read many personal emails between my brother and myself, and other friends that used the system.
I realized what they were doing pretty quickly, but, I'm pretty sure their recklessness in doing that is what saved my butt in the end. This was a big crown corp telecom company.
But IRC was exempt or under the radar :)
Honestly I'd probably still be using it if DALnet hadn't been DDoS'ed for months on end.
on *:JOIN:%jt.triv.chan:{ .notice $nick Welcome $nick! }
Loads of fun, though, and IRC was nice venue back then to build a community out of strangers who had similar blocks of free time.
I had no idea mIRC was still being actively developed!
Edit: The company's filing says they have 1.2 million in assets. So realistically, to buy the company, you're looking at a few million. It's a 2 man show so I suspect they would want a few million or so to give up that revenue stream
Honestly, I'm surprised the author hasn't monetized it better by stealing back the features that were stolen by discord. Make some mIRC hosted servers and an easier way to connect to them by making them the defaults when you launch the program and such. Build in support for graphics and voice chat, etc.
mIRC 7.81 has been released! (April 9th 2025)
Whoa!
I remember the good old days with mIRC though, before I moved to Linux, so maybe when I was 11-12 or younger?
To which I’ll respond: the world doesn’t owe it to you to make all software usable on your operating system of choice. There’s no freedom in that.
If you're on an ARM Mac, then...live with the consequences of your choices.
Eventually they'll run out of ships to pillage, matey. But IRC will still be there.
IRC is a wasteland. It was once vibrant, but now it's a shell of what it once was.
Quick, look over there!
Right on that page is -
> mIRC v7.81 has been released.
which links to https://www.mirc.com/news.html with info about the new release from April 9th 2025.
Granted it would have been better if this post linked to https://www.mirc.com/news.html
Can some change the link to https://www.mirc.com/news.html? Mods?