Creepy Spying System Revealed by Wikileaks, Which Then Gets Hit by DDOS Attack
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"more accurate than modern facial recognition technology"
"recorded digitally on the spot"
"encrypted and instantaneously delivered to a fortified central database center at an undisclosed location to be aggregated with other intelligence"
"the corporation's ties are assumed to go deeper than even documented"
It sounds a bit ominous, but what does any of that even mean? The security video cameras have encrypted feeds into a central server, which does facial recognition? Sounds nice, but I'd be surprised if it works well enough to be useful (esp. if someone is wearing sunglasses), but not nearly as alarmed as the tone of the RT article encourages. Sounds more like fantasy technology and wasted tax money than anything else.
The product may be publicly available, but the difference here is that the government is secretly installing cameras in every major public location, and building a growing database of every individual's face and movements. No individual company could do that. The government can.
Is there any proof of this actually happening? I mean not "there's a system that does video surveillance, so they must be spying on everybody", but actual proof that there exists the database that includes every individual's face and movements and that police is installing cameras in every major public location to maintain this database (as opposed to, you know, legitimate purposes of securing major public locations).
I don't recall anything about video surveillance specifically, but what they are concerned about is the database of dossiers on everyone that includes all of the multimedia information available. They have internet traffic, email, cell information (movements) but I don't know what else is collected.
Maybe someone who's done more reading on the subject can pipe up.
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/20/exclusive_national_sec...
Isn't internet traffic a non secret now after the warrantless spying program fiasco that whistleblower Diane Roark allegedly leaked? And if you have cell phone information you have movement information, I haven't heard anything specifically about movement other than that.
The second link describes the program which was explicitly made to exclude US citizens, but after 9/11 they used also data on US citizens provided by telecoms, such as AT&T - namely billing data (i.e. who talked to whom). I see no mention on them having access to location data or internet traffic, or them doing it for every US citizen. Binney was understandably outraged about warrantless surveillance on US citizens and had quit, however he neither proves not implies there's a systematic program of the extent mentioned above (i.e. personal dossier on communications, location, etc. of every person in US), unless I have missed something there.
Lybian revolution had plenty of staged content that was fed to "international media" who happily gulped it down. Rebel troops taking on cities in fucking flip-flops? Sure, why not. Kind of unclear who did the actually fighting, but that's not really important, is it.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mYN-WF164gg/T40tDKWNLDI/AAAAAAAAas...
Have you never seen the picture of the guy with an assault rifle, wearing gardening gloves, a life vest, and sneakers?
http://borderland-beat-forum.924382.n3.nabble.com/file/n4027...
When George Washington led 12,000 men into winter camp at Valley Forge, 2/3 had no shoes. In December. In Pennsylvania.
At least Libya was probably warm enough for flip-flops.
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The emails are incredibly mundane, nothing even hinting at super secret conspiracy stuff in them at all.
"As usual" really? They are not an objective news source, for sure, but they are decent. They often provide a good counter point on any US based and so called "free" media news sources.
> TrapWire is no secret,
Not "secret" as in classified. Secret as in your average person on the street probably doesn't know about, unless they of course read the "full of shit RT" source instead of relying say on Fox News.
> Sounds nice, but I'd be surprised if it works
Alright so if we found out that China was using the technology would you be saying the same "they have it, but no worries, it is probably not usable, so we shouldn't worry about criticizing China for it"
I don't read them much, but was pretty disappointed with their coverage of CISPA linked on reddit a couple of months ago. It was very sparse on facts, and very heavy editorialized, full of fear mongering and propaganda. Same thing here.
Why? because it means it's actually powerful people and not "random patriots in the USA". Thus, I feel like it's a more direct hit to our freedom of speech, etc.
It's also pretty obvious that no one would think Assange actually committed crimes. You'd need to be both blind and deaf to not figured that he's been framed into this ridiculous sex affair.
ps: hello trapwire auditors, have a nice day!
When that happens you get people sending a thousand kilos of high explosives into a school bus and walking away with a book deal and secret service protection for life. If u catch my drift
I reckon this is probably q bunch of patriot hackers operated by some shadier puppet masters. Ironically probably someone that's not friendly with the US
I strongly support Wikileaks, but Assange strikes me as the sort of arrogant, narcissistic jerk that is capable of exactly what the women accused him of. Whether or not it's true, I don't know, but that's why we have courts.
That Assange is arrogant shouldn't come into account here. Else we'd just jail all arrogant people and be done with it.
with these arguments, any sex before marriage sounds pretty dangerous to me.
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I say it is "official", because the wikileaks Twitter stream mentioned it here: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/233859958767226880
If you don't have Tor installed at the moment, it is trivial to install it nowadays. Just install the browser bundle from here https://www.torproject.org/download/download-easy.html and you'll be viewing the Wikileaks hidden service in a couple of minutes from now.
Anyway, I don't think wikileaks can seriously be stopped from disseminating information if they choose to, there are a thousand ways to spread it and zero ways to unspread it.
I wish it was a big conspiracy by the EVIL GOVERNMENT. But alas, it is probably a huge waste of the taxpayers' money.
That said, the EU is doing pretty much the same with INDECT. Apparently they think it's worthwhile too...
The author loses credibility with me when he insinuates this must the government. Trust me, if the government wanted the site down, they'd do it themselves and not act like some sort of hacker group.
Is it such a stretch to think the Anon's aren't the only "experts" out there?
Every few seconds, data picked up at surveillance points in major cities and landmarks across the United States are recorded digitally on the spot, then encrypted and instantaneously delivered to a fortified central database center at an undisclosed location to be aggregated with other intelligence.
Awful and scary, isn't it? Let's now take a deep breath and read it again. We'll see how this article makes most mundane and unremarkable things sound like a spy triller, it's a nice piece of work:
Former senior intelligence officials have created a detailed surveillance system more accurate than modern facial recognition technology
More accurate how? Than which modern facial recognition technology? All of them together? Sounds unlikely that RT made a survey of all modern face recognition technologies. But even if they did - what exactly it allows to do more accurately and how much more accurately? From the descriptions it sounds like it is a facial recognition technology plus some pattern matching - but 99% of it is marketing-speak, so impossible to understand what it actually does.
Every few seconds, data picked up at surveillance points in major cities and landmarks across the United States are recorded digitally on the spot
So we have some data recording happening in some locations in the US. We don't know anything about these locations except that some of them are inside major US cities and some other are in known places which aren't cities. For all we know, it may be inside bank vaults in major cities, or inside private secure structures - but the authors certainly make it sound as it is practically in your bedroom. It's like they are in major cities and I am in a major city - OMG!
Then these ominous surveillance points record video digitally. Oh noes! Just like my digital camera! Must be made by CIA to spy on me too. And it does it on the spot! There must be some spy stuff going on. But you heard nothing yet:
then encrypted
As we all know, encryption is practically synonymous with shady business. Nobody who has nothing to hide uses encryption. They do, ergo they are up to something bad.
and instantaneously delivered
Instantaneously! I mean, move over, physics, CIA is here! Oh, you mean they just upload their videos to the central server over https using broadband networks? Just like I do with Youtube clips? So that must mean Youtube is under CIA control too, I guess.
to a fortified central database center
Fortified center! Certainly sounds ominous - nobody ever that is up to any good would have any physical security in his data center that stores millions of dollars in hardware and information. Fortified means bad. It's like Mordor, dude!
at an undisclosed location
Undisclosed location? Did you ever hear "undisclosed location" in context that meant anything good? It's or somebody is hiding from mafia hitmen, or some spooks are meeting to discuss their spooky things. Or it's a conspiracy-speak for "they didn't tell us where their data center is because they didn't think it's our business to know where their data center is".
to be aggregated with other intelligence
OMG, can it get any worse? Other intelligence! What kind of other intelligence? Who cares, it's obvious aggregating video with "other intelligence" can only make it worse. Other intelligence is spookier than anything else, just let your imagination run for a bit and you'd see how scary "other intelligence" can get.
It's like that face.com startup that Facebook bought - that allowed to combine facial recognition with "other intelligence" to sort facebook pictures or make logins via face recognition APIs. I didn't know those guys were CIA, I actually used them! Good thing facebook shut them down. Or maybe they just were not supposed to show this technology to the people? After all, Facebook is CIA too, so maybe they just went underground...
The employee roster at Arbaxas reads like a who’s who of agents once with the Pentagon, CIA and other government entities according to their public LinkedIn profiles, and the corporation's ties are assumed to go deeper than even documented.
And now's this. Some employees of these companies worked for CIA or DoD (we don't know in which capacity, but everybody that ever worked for DoD in any capacity is up to no good, it's clear) or "other government entities" - you know, Department of Education, EPA, NIH, Smithsonian, National Science Foundation - those all are "government entities", so we can cover a lot of ground here while sounding like we still talk about spies. And if we miss something, we can always say "it is assumed" - by which we mean we just assumed that because why not, but we will say it as if it is a known, even if undocumented, fact.
So what we have is a regular video surveillance system with some algorithms built on top, some company founded by people with govt connections, looking probably into some juicy govt contracts on securing some of the numerous govt facilities that need securing, and some creative writers making it all sound like the CIA is out to get us while giving us next to zero information on actually what we are supposed to be afraid of and what new is in what they tell us.
From the last paragraph I got you're OK with having an unregulated surveillance system in the US which records information about you and makes god-knows-what conclusions from your movements, behaviour etc. And that's absolutely fine, you are entitled to your opinion.
But you have taken much efforts trying to ridicule OP's use of words "digital", "encrypted, "instantaneously", "undisclosed" etc. How is this discussion tactics called?
But you have taken much efforts trying to ridicule OP's use of words "digital", "encrypted, "instantaneously", "undisclosed" etc. How is this discussion tactics called?
I'm ridiculing them not because they use these words, but because their narrative is non-existant without these words and spooky style of their arrangement. If you strip them, you are left with "Some company has video recording security system, that involves recording data, storing it on the server and then running some algorithms on it. Some law enforcement agencies use it, and the management of the company has worked for the government in the past and now is probably using their past contacts to get government contracts". I do not see anything spooky here, and it's definitely not as sensationalist as the article is, and not nearly as interesting. That's what I am ridiculing them for - for sensationalizing a mundane piece of uninteresting information into a full-blown conspiracy theory.
To understand why, log out of Hacker News, and then log back in. Your browser and Paul Graham have conspired to instantaneously send sensitive encrypted digital information to an undisclosed location. I hope it's fortified.
And no evidence for this has been supplied.
For example, you're assuming the "central database" is one big one run by the government. The term would equally well apply to a computer in a university's security office, which receives feeds from all the university's security cameras, which it likely records digitally, because it's 2012 and that's how we do things now.
The location of that university security office is probably "undisclosed" because really who cares if you don't need to go there? It's "disclosed" to people for whom that information is relevant, like people who work there.