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I have approximately zero sympathy for companies in this situation. They've done everything possible to quash worker's rights, collude on wages, and commit billions in wage theft against the very poorest of workers.

As they say, "Turnabout is fair play".

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I am of the same opinion. Employers get to jerk employees around. Look at union busting, look at how they fight tooth and nail against any pro labor regulation. Arguably unjustified mass layoffs. The tech salary suppression case and there are so many other examples that simply aren't jumping to my head right now.

But god forbid the laborers do anything that takes advantage of a situation to better their lot in life.

For the record, I ain't one of those folks either. I'm not looking to hold more than one job at a time, and I suspect the actual majority of workers are like this too, so even if the argument held water for someone, 400K people is less than 0.1% of the workforce. That is hardly worth worrying about beyond simple precautions if it something you think is an issue

I don’t agree - working remotely is (in most respects) beneficial to the employee, and requires a lot of trust from the employer. So I think employees should do their part and honor that trust by being at least as productive as they would be at an office.

(I work remotely for a big corp and this is how I feel and act as well.)

I’d love to be as productive as in office. Because my productivity at home is ten times better. Nobody distracts me all the time.

Combating fraud with more fraud does not lead to a good place.

... if you don't want to reward any companies for being good actors, then yeah sure treat them all the same. Don't be a child.

This is the same as grouping all workers together as being lazy.

You should have some sympathy for the person who got robbed out of a job because someone else just wanted to make even more money. Companies aren't the main victims of the overemployed.

You can't be robbed of something you don't possess.

You're not entitled to a job. If someone else is working two, nobody's 'robbing' you.

If you think you are, I'll counterpoint it by insisting that I'm entitled to a house. Why should someone else have two, or more, or two hundred, when I don't even have one? Some landlord hoarding of them is, after all, robbing me.

People are actually entitled to fair access to food, water and shelter. And yes, landlords (both individual and corporate) are robbing people of the opportunity to own property and establish long term communities

That's all fine and good until enough people are jobless and homeless and they come to take all our heads. And I wouldn't even blame 'em for it. If one side of the agreement won't uphold the social contract, it breaks down, and "survival of the fittest" is an ugly world most of us have never had to experience.

I'm entitled to a house. Why should someone else have two, or more, or two hundred, when I don't even have one? Some landlord hoarding of them is, after all, robbing me.

You are entitled to a place to live, and the option of choosing it to specifically be a somewhat normal house in your general area, and landlords actually are robbing a huge portion of the population from their right to own a home. The average age of a first time home owner is rising and it's not rising consensually. The US has been tilting away from the rational middle ground between "no landlords" and "landlords own everything" over the last few decades.

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