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I assume this is being posted/upvoted in terms of “workaround for Microsoft Account requirement”. I actually mostly like Windows, but that particular thing they're pushing is more infuriating than any other, and there have been lots of others.

See the page's description for “Allow Windows 11 to be installed without internet connection”:

> This effectively runs the oobe\BypassNRO.cmd command, which was discovered by Reddit user AveYo. You still have to click the I don't have internet button during Windows Setup.

> Only check this option if your computer really does not have internet access. If you just want to create local (“offline”) user accounts in Windows 11, you can always do so in the _User accounts_ section of this form.

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Thanks for that. I didn't even think about the whole Microsoft Account requirement in the context of unattended installs.

I like Windows quite a bit. I get unreasonably angry when the ability to see the source code would be useful, or when I can't minimize irritations by recompiling. I feel that way about all closed-source software, though. By and large I'm happy to use it for some things. I've used it a long time. I don't dislike it.

What's happening w/ Windows, though, fills me with frustration and sadness. The Microsoft Account requirement is absolutely asinine. The Windows 10 and later UI changes are ridiculous. The continued push to take away user rights on computers they own, by sinking DRM tendrils deeper into the OS, is frustrating.

It feels like developers w/ little to no real world experience using Windows and who have no ability to stand up to the whims of UI "designers" (who also don't seem to acutally use Windows), sales and marketing, and the copyright cartels have been put in charge of Windows.

These are commercial decisions, taken way above product people in most cases. Exploitative and user-hostile management occasionally drops their mask of serene and paternalistic benevolence, revealing the ugly truth of cut-throat corporate life.

It’s not an asinine requirement when you think of how users would otherwise have to store Bitlocker recovery keys. Microsoft would have to give up device encryption for the masses if there was no automatic off-device key storage.

For those that truly care to use a local account, there’s a SKU for that.

> For those that truly care to use a local account, there’s a SKU for that.

Curious if you mean LTSC or Enterprise or something else? https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/microsoft.power...

The problem with a lot of the other SKUs is the lack of a good way to buy a single license legitimately from Microsoft: https://old.reddit.com/r/Windows10LTSC/wiki/acquisition

I have used grey-market sellers in the past and had a great experience buying working individual licenses of Visual Studio, Office, Windows Server (I set up a domain so I could get my Group Policy on and kill the crap that way), and Windows 10 Enterprise (minimum SKU where the Telemetry-disabling GPO does anything). I only ever had one code that didn't work, and the seller immediately replaced it with one that did. Yes I know they're probably all bought with stolen credit cards, but once you activate it they don't take it back so I don't care lol

I haven't attempted to use Windows 11 at all though so I dunno if Windows 11 Enterprise would let me join my domain without Microsoft Account like 10 Enterprise does. I have zero desire to find out even once the 10 “““EOL””” date comes :(

> The problem with a lot of the other SKUs is the lack of a good way to buy a single license legitimately from Microsoft

because the higher ups at microsoft deems these SKUs not suitable for the average pleb on a home computer. They're intended for a fleet of commercial computers (like schools, libraries, offices etc), and priced to match the expected sale.

For home use, microsoft wants the user to be an obedient sheep, and gobble up whatever that is fed through the pipe. Soon enough, this will make the computer more of an appliance, than a computer - like a washing machine or TV, instead of a general machine capable of doing whatever the user commands.

FWIW, your Enterprise key for Win10 should also work to install Win11 enterprise (the MAK keys for the two versions are identical, even), so you can test this fairly easily if you're inclined. That said, I can aver that domain-joining in Win11 doesn't require an MS account - corporations would flip out if that requirement was extended to them.

Again: preferring a default is not a reason to take away an important choice.

I can see the argument for bitlocker for laptops, due to easier theft, but for desktops the tradeoff against being able to swap disks is one to consider.

(I'm in an odd position: I tried to avoid using my Microsoft account for a new PC, gave up and logged in, then it decided the account was somehow unsuitable and gave me the local account I wanted anyway.)

The masses don't "swap disks" and it isn't like desktops aren't stolen, as well.

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