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When I was in fourth grade, I'd take the half a mile walk to the library almost daily which always made my parents happy because they assumed I was going to read, but instead I was hopping onto their computers, going to http://minecraft.net, and playing minecraft on IE :)

Thanks for the nostalgia

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The longevity of Minecraft blows my mind. I was always aware of its existence but never looked into it. Now my kid is getting into it. So many generations of kids! It's incredible really.

That said, it has been a little sad digging into the current state of Java vs Bedrock, Bedrock iPad vs Bedrock Switch. The platform ubiquity is wonderful and the tradeoffs are what they are. But if folks were able to create a touch-capable web-powered Java Minecraft that would be a great fit for the iPad.

The children yearn for the mines, apparently.

Also, Minecraft is like a gateway drug into Factorio. Dangerous stuff!

An interesting fact about Minecraft is that when it came out, storing the block IDs for the loaded area used up a big chunk of your computer's RAM and had to be optimized as much as possible. So it was 8 bits per block space, and when they expanded to 12 bits, they added on another array with 8 bits per 2 spaces.

Now, it doesn't even use block IDs any more. It uses one whole object per block type, one pointer to one of those objects per block space, and has a lot more block types. The on-disk format stores the entire string name of the block, once per 16x16x16 region it occurs in.

Got any resources on this? As a kid I never thought about it but as a programmer, I always wondered how you scaled up these kind of problems.

My source is the code itself, but you could also use the wiki's documentation about the on-disk data format.

It's fundamentally just a big array of one entry per block space. It was never too big for an average computer to handle - otherwise Minecraft wouldn't have been able to exist yet (maybe that's why it didn't exist until the time that it did) but they've gotten a lot less efficient since then, in the name of flexibility.

Before Minecraft existed I played Cube 2 on "coop edit" mode. Its world structure is an optimization you might be interested in: it represents the whole game world (of fixed size) as an octree. So the map starts as a node with 8 child slots (one for each corner of a cube); each is either completely solid, completely empty, or another node, recursively down to some maximum depth. Therefore Large empty areas and large solid areas are stored in about the same amount of space as small empty areas and small solid areas.

I set up two old computers to play some Minecraft with my youngest kid. Unfortunately it turns out recent versions are much slower than old ones. I have not bothered to bisect it to figure out exactly what version(s) killed performance. My weakest old computer can run the latest version with 1-2 fps. It can run 1.12 with at least around 30-40 fps, which is more than enough for me to be able to enjoy the game (being old enough to have grown up in an era when we were happily playing flight sims at 5-10 fps). Anyway it is nice that the launcher makes it possible and easy to go back and play older versions. I much prefer drm-free games, but at least supporting old versions like this is better than 99% of games.

Older versions of Minecraft are better; they've added too much junk to newer versions. I stick to 1.6.3, 1.7.10, 1.12.2. Heard they added a bunch of telemetry and ban capabilities in 1.18+, for which mods are needed.

DRM-free Minecraft launchers exist, mostly forks of MultiMC5. Now if only offline installers existed...

It's basically LEGO, it tickles the mind. Which is ironic, because LEGO Worlds isn't nearly as inspiring as Minecraft.

I used to do that except it was to play Runescape lol. The local library got some really nice Pentium 4 computers too.

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