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> doesn't seem like much of a story to me when we have Kevin Mitnick being convicted for hacking crimes at 25 and being a consultant for the FBI after doing his time

This kid wasn’t convicted. He’s never shown contrition or growth. He’s a cybercriminal who was given the keys to our payments systems by Musk.

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This kid wasn't charged. That is a required step before being convicted.

What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

What happened to denying security clearances?

To be honest, the whole security clearance process has always seemed (to me at least) much closer to McCarthyism/security theater than an effective way to prevent infiltration by actual spies and such.

well we've done a good job this year showing the alternative of "just let whoever in" is much, much worse. Bravo.

Have we? What have been the repercussions so far?

> What have been the repercussions so far?

We really have to wait for an American pilot to be shot down, don’t we. Seeing the flames isn’t enough; the house has to burn down.

Well yes, I think there should be some tangible damage before you can make a claim like that.

> What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

that's only applicable in a court of law. otherwise the police wouldn't be able to investigate or arrest anybody - officer I haven't been found guilty, therefore I'm innocent.

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