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Comment by karparov | Hacker News Reader

In my experience, even if people knew, they just don't care.

Most people I talk to about this, tech and non-tech folk have an attitude with a.mix of "you can't escape this anyway, so might as well embrace it" and "misuse scenarios you are describing are pretty far-fetched".

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I read a comment on Hacker News which suggested asking these people to provide you with their unlocked phone. The theory went that most people wouldn’t do it because they realize that they do actually have things they would prefer to be kept private or secure. The first time I tried this, the person I was trying it with unlocked her phone and handed it to me. I didn’t even know how to respond.

I guess open a social media app and post a PM accidentally in public, like:

Hi Laszlo, I'm making the trip on Friday, we can meet at 10 and you can put the stuff in my purse, it should be fine. Don't forget the jewels, that's the only reason I'm doing this.

People worry about "real people" knowing their private stuff, eg a family member, acquaintance, colleague, neighbor etc peeking into their DMs, because these people can impact one's actual life, social life, reputation, job, marriage, etc. They don't care if some faceless corporation has their data in some database with a billion other peoples similar data, as long as that data can't get into the hands of real flesh-and-bone humans that they see with their two eyes in real life as opposed to theoretically maybe existing and doing something nebulous ly nefarious in some scifi future dystopia.

I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir here, but the data belonging to a faceless corporation (or even a government agency) can be dangerous even if the corporation does not have any nefarious intentions; this is because both the data and the corporation can eventually be compromised by malicious actors.

I personally am careful like others around here, but I know how normal people think. All anybody can list are vague nebulous future consequences while the benefits are immediate and concrete. You need to point to concrete bad things that happened to real people close to home, eg friends and family, for them to care. Not one anomalous case across the country, but something that has reality in their own real lives. I've tried telling people about privacy issues and it's harder than telling people to stop smoking or eating crap food, or to abstain from sex etc. It's seen as theoretical, abstract moral preaching. Privacy advocates can never point to real things that affect average people in big enough numbers. It's a bit of a catch 22. If the thing is too rare, it seems far fetched. If it's too common, it's seen as "if so many people are affected then I can just blend into the crowd". Meaning, since everyone is careless about privacy around them, at worst they are all going down together. But that in itself seem quite far fetched.

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