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Musk's X suspends opposition accounts in Turkey amid civil unrest

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33 pointsboramalper17 comments

Are people still touring the "ultimate free speech" narrative, or have we moved on to the next talking point?

I have seen someone claim speech just became more free, so yep, still.

The cultists cannot fathom their own contradictions.

Like trump rallying to deport mexicans who are drug or violent criminals and then deporting those whos only crime was to enter the US illegally. No questions asked if those are heavy criminal thugs or law abiding family members. No courts involved to clarify.

It isn't a contradiction, it's simple racism. There is a reason Trump wanted to wall off the entire southern border because Mexico was sending "drug dealers, killers and rapists" but he wants to annex Canada and Greenland.

Whatever you think of Musk or where your political leanings are, this move is so anti-democratic and a clear abuse of power by means of this social network, that it should now be painfully clear to any legitimate company, government or institution that still has an account there, that it is time to move to alternative social media channels entirely. If there was any shred left in the first place, X now lost all its credibility and reputation. Move away, people.

...Following legal orders from Turkish judges. Just like it does in the US and EU.

Do we like it when people defy court orders or not today? I cant keep track.

> Following legal orders from Turkish judges. Just like it does in the US and EU

Musk is notorious for blowing off court orders he doesn’t like. Particularly in America. When he complies, he does so begrudgingly and while levying threats.

So yeah, it is notable that he quietly complies with a Turkish court order while yapping about free speech.

Do you have a list of US judicial take down requests that Twitter has flat out defied?

I know that agency request actions aren't consistent, but dont know of examples telling a judges to stuff it.

Nope. But the list of court orders Musk has ignored are vast. The hypocrisy is being aimed at the man—he doesn’t get a fresh start on criminal contempt with a new LLC.

What US court orders do you have in mind and can you articulate the hypocrisy. If I recall correctly, tesla defied some covid orders, but that is a pretty different situation.

Musk’s actions around USAID have been halted by courts [1]. The actions persist. Meanwhile, Musk calls—as a member of the executive branch—for impeaching judges who disagree with him.

[1] https://www.wmar2news.com/local/maryland-judge-says-elon-mus...

Does that constitute Hypocrisy? I agree that the intimidation of the judiciary is detestable. However, to my understanding he is still acknowledging the power of the court to bind or compel action, or at least making the pretext of doing so.

Based on this, I don't see the hypocrisy of following judicial rulings in Turkey as well. Inversely, if he was defying similar judicial rulings in each country, on similar basis, that wouldn't be hypocrisy either.

The closest is probably the situation in Brazil, where twitter refused several orders, but ultimately ended up complying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazil#...

> he is still acknowledging the power of the court to bind or compel action, or at least making the pretext of doing so

He claims to fight for free speech. Yet he kicks and screams with every ruling decrying his actions illegal in America. Meanwhile, while Turkey asks him to stop his free speaking, crickets. That is the hypocrisy. He doesn’t stand for free speech. He stands for himself.

> closest is probably the situation in Brazil, where twitter

You’re still muddling Elon with his beards. What Twitter or Tesla do on their own is almost orthogonal to our modern Caligula’s preferences when he commands them.

If he obeyed all court orders equally, people would still tut and boo, but it wouldn't be a big deal.

That he sometimes picks fights with judges making other orders to suspend accounts, posts memes of that judge behind bars*, means we have to assume he's decided that he followed this order because he agrees with the order (bad), not simply that he follows it because it's an order (generally acceptable).

* https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/elon-musk-po...

When have you seen Musk contest any request from authoritarian regimes, either rhetorically, diplomatically or otherwise? Never. It's always liberal democracies he goes after. Always.

I have to see the usual "rant" shit post of Musk on X where he defames "judges" for such a case... Curiously it is just limited to decision going against his choices and his russian friends choices...

Court order from EU:

Musk: Look how the EU hinders FREEDOM OF SPEECH!! FREEDOM!! *Insert William Wallace meme*

Court order from Turkey:

Musk: OK

Yep, no difference

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