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Giving up on that treadmill after investing 3 insanely intense years consuming everything about it was the best thing I ever did. Now I write elixir (phoenix liveview), sometimes I write javascript (phoenix hooks), sometimes that javascript uses Alpine. Zero pain.

I have never felt more vindicated understanding HTTP, Hypermedia, and HATEOAS than I have in the last three years.

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I've only used Elixir/Phoenix as the backend with Elm as the frontend. If you're familiar with that, can you TL;DR what Phoenix Liveview does differently than a Phoenix/Elm/GraphQL stack?

Liveview nearly eliminates the boundary between backend and frontend. Your forms, inputs, outputs, whatever, just become another GenServer with a few special callbacks. You no longer have to worry about an API and syncing data from client to server. The transport layer becomes invisible

It's not even worth it to talk about GenServer or special callbacks. Any idiot can just think of it as "phx-{binding}" html attribute and "handle_event".

Yes. You get to drop the javascript compile and the graphql and you speak purely in three languages:

  1. elixir: def handle_event("save_customer", params, socket)...
  2. html: <form :for={@form} phx-submit="save_customer">
  3. And sometimes rarely javascript: this.pushEvent("reorder_customer_priorities")

That's it. No compiler, no type annotations, no graphql layer.

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