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iOS 19 and iOS 20 Must Include a Long List of Major Changes, EU Says

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This will most probably be good for the consumer.

1) Apple care about the American and Asian markets. They have long treated the EU as a joke whose consumer laws they can ignore.

That is why, the past few years, Apple has behaved so petulantly and strangely in reaction to EU stipulations. They feel it's beneath them.

2) In all area of its business (marketing, advertising, hardware design, software design, sales, support), Apple strive to minimise country-specific differences.

That is why, when it finally dawns on Apple c-suite execs that they're, in fact, not more powerful than the EU, they will roll out the improvements mandated by the EU to all geos.

So American consumers should be grateful to the EU. The American government isn't going put their needs before Apple's any time soon.

Nothing about the mandatory notarization for sideloaded apps unfortunately.

Mmm, I kind of agree with Apple’s take on it. In my mind, allowing other people to load software on your hardware and forcing you to change your software to cater to them are very different things.

Typical EU. Why don’t some Europeans get together and make a phone and OS? Then they can do whatever they feel like they should force Apple to do.

Of course Europeans won’t ever ship a phone or OS —. By the time they have it ready for market and pass all of the EU’s rules, regulations, and pay all of the various taxes, fees — we’ll all be dead.

Honest question: why doesn’t the EU have their own FAANGs?

Nothing is European

As was Nokia, and it wasn't regulations that kept them back, it was a Canadian.

Well, there was a Canadian competitor company, and then a Canadian CEO...

Pretty sure it was mainly iPhone. Blackberry did well selling to the business market, but, at its height, Nokia was so popular in the consumer market that the risk wasn't existential. Today, of course, consumers all have iPhones or Asian smartphones.

  Why don’t some Europeans get together and make a phone and OS?

Access to the EU market is voluntary. Apple only needs to abide by EU regulations if it wants access to that market.

  Of course Europeans won’t ever ship a phone or OS —.

History didn't start in 2008 with iPhone. For the previous decade American mobile was - without exaggeration - backward (CDMA, no portability, cost prohibitive SMS). Meanwhile in Europe: Siemens, Ericsson, Nokia...

  why doesn’t the EU have their own FAANGs?

A big factor is that the EU is less comfortable with extreme poverty. This allows the US and China essentially to undercut the EU.

A more complicated factor is culture. While European business culture isn't aggressive enough to succeed in the current era, the flip-side is it does have a reputation for great design and high quality.

The funny thing is that all FAANGs have big European subsidiaries, and specially so for their research labs.

Also, they always buy any promising new European company (and many times even keep their original offices open in Europe).

If things in Europe are so bad, I wonder why?

Relax mate, nobody is forcing Apple.

They can just choose not to sell here, freely.

> Typical EU. Why don’t some Europeans get together and make a phone and OS?

Because theCIA doesn't love hardware/OSs it can't control.

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