Occupry your next lease to negotiate a better deal

A late response to this, but my friend was having problems getting her deposit back and I did exactly this (with help from GPT to find the statute) and had her text it to the landlord. 5 mins later the deposit was in her Cash App.

That is a satisfying story but it makes me wish you stuck it to the landlord, as they're almost certainly doing that to every tenant and making a killing. I get that court takes time and everything, I just want to hear a story that ends in justice!

Huh???? do the tiny amount of paperwork and get the double, he won't learn until he feels the pain, you are not helping anyone with this choice

> Any time an AI product is advertised with something like "Legal Research Agents"

In most cases a more-accurate label would be "Emotional-support Bullshitter", because:

1. Since nobody on the user's side really knows if a provided fact is true or a rationale is legally coherent, that makes it a kind of "bullshit".

2. It's main benefit is to make the human feels more confident and safe in negotiations, being able to foist responsibility onto their digital accomplice, it supports them emotionally.

3. It sounds like "emotional-support animal", and this is amusing to me while alluding to another kind of misbehavior.

> (though, I don't put much faith in "Jane Doe" and "Mike Smith" testimonials)

If I got a great testimonial, and the person's name was Jane Doe, I would be sad, because people who read it would think I was a liar.

"Spine shivers" are one of the most extreme tells of AI slop. Not that I think you used AI to generate this - but such terms are now poisoned.

> I'm pretty sure in my area anyone who attempts to negotiate (especially based on an AI-built argument) will be told to pound sand.

That said, given the evils of RealPage YieldStar, and of investors hoovering up residential real estate, it would be nice to find a way to give some power back to the people.

(Normally, this could be through law enforcement and legislation, but that became more complicated in the last couple months.)

One tech-based service that would help, in a small way, is a widely-used reviews and reputation system for landlords and properties. It would have to be reputable (unlike Yelp), and to find some way to sustain itself, long-term, without turning evil.

>Given that it is very likely run by, in effect, landlords

Why?

My real estate attorney thankfully lives under a bridge.

> Given that it is very likely run by, in effect, landlords

You’re correct in being sceptical of services that ask you to upload sensitive documents. But the specific allegation seems unsubstantiated in this case.

You pay for the product. The privacy policy and terms of use are readable and reasonable. And they both have someone’s contact information at the bottom. No obvious red flags.

Interesting that a testimonial from a real Jane or John Doe is actually a negative.

I came here to say this too. I assume the developer only uses dark mode and didn't test light mode.

I think the subset of landlords that will negotiate, and the ones that you need AI to help you with, are pretty small in overlap.

There are typically two experiences in negotiation with landlords, at least in the US:

* You rent from a small time landlord, where you're talking to the guy who owns the property. They'll negotiate if you talk to them like a human being. (and if the rental market is not very hot in that area)

* You rent from MegaCorp. The leasing agent was hired off of indeed.com last week and has zero power to negotiate and will likely tell you "sorry the lease and prices are set by corporate"

it is a great idea - in theory. in practice I do not think this holds water. price is reasonable, I am landlord and I ran my current lease through it and also through few others and it is worth the price.

the main issue here is that this might only work in small markets and landlords like me, “just a guy.” for any property owned by large corporations (the percentage of these is increasing by the minute across the country) this is not useful. even for someone like me, last time my condo was on the market I have received 73 applications. someone tries to negotiate too much I’d just move on to the next if the negotiation is not reasonable

On mobile,iOS, Firefox and the website is nearly unreadable due to the contrast.

Landlords in my area are begging for occupants and throwing move in promos at you when you walk in the door because the city allowed new housing to be built in excess after a massive spike in demand during the pandemic

> to think that prospective renters have any negotiating power at all when the landlord typically (in my area anyway) receives triple digit numbers of applications

For new-lease negotiation, you're right. For renewal, in my experience, New York City landlords happily made small edits if given a good reason. (While the larger companies usually can't change their boilerplate documents, they're almost always fine adding a rider.)

Your are correct in your conclusion that individuals dealing with corporations have little power to negotiate terms but incorrect in your reasoning. This is the same fallacy as claiming there are dozens of people willing to do any given job when the number of dwellings and jobs is nearly equal those willing to occupy or work.

Because landlords and especially jobs may receive many applications and review relatively few applicants are often obliged to submit many applications leading to many applications for each job but not many applicants for each job.

The most obvious cause is not merely selectivity but the desire to leave the job app/dwelling listed until the process is fully complete and listings which already have a pre-selected applicants but which are listed for legal reasons.

In fact the sector is most often only actually spoiled for choice only when offering something that is fundamentally a better deal than the price as in any other market even when the factors are intangibles that aren't factored into the price like competent management and good neighbors.

That is to say that given 6 tenants and 6 landlords all 6 landlords may say they have 5 other tenants competing for the spot only if they all count the same tenants and those offering undesirable terms even at the same price will find they have to settle on average for less desirable tenants.

Then they can all go online and complain that all tenants are terrible and talk about how it took 6 months to dig the non-paying tenant out like a tick.

Sounds more like losing out on the place you wanted because they rented it to someone that didn't haggle them.

Are you kidding me? Most laws in liberal cities where this might be true are so tenant skewed that I downright don't want the risk of them doing the "squat and take 6+ months to be evicted but not before trashing the place" routine. No thank you. I'll be a landlord in some red state where I can rely on the power of rich capitalists to make sure that squatters spend their time in jail/prison instead of moving onto yet another owner to fleece.

That's just adorable - to think that landlords have power in a place like Seattle or Portland or SF.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveForLandchads/

Honestly, I think you’re going to run into UPL problems, and that residential renters typically have no power to negotiate lease terms.