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Trump admin deports migrants even as judge orders removals stopped

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I encourage you to read the government's appeal to the DC Circuit Court. It is terrifying. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69742127/01208720432/jg...

The government is saying that it can declare that transnational crime is an "invasion" under the Alien Enemies Act, and that the courts cannot review this decision. Therefore, they can arrest, deport, or transfer to a prison in a third country, any non-citizen and the courts have no power to intervene or review the decision.

Transnational crime will always exist, and it is present in many countries. So if you're a citizen of Italy and a lawful permanent resident of the US, they can arrest you, accuse you of being in the mafia, and send you to a prison in El Salvador, and you will have no legal recourse. I don't even think they would need that fig leaf since the courts would have no power to review their actions.

IANAL. I am very concerned about this matter. from the document you so helpfully provided: "the President proclaimed that “all Venezuelan citizens 14 years of age or older who are members of TdA, are within the United States, and are not actually naturalized or lawful permanent residents of the United States are liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as Alien Enemies.”

So I think on its face they are claiming they are apprehending NON-"lawful permanent residents" - i.e. NON green card holders. I think the reality, though, is that even if you ARE a green card holder, the way this is being carried out - based on the video of Mahmoud Khalil's "arrest" - you may find yourself having your head shaved in a prison in El Salvador, with no way to make your case.

Re Mahmoud Khalil- he IS a "lawful permanent resident" and I thought "habeas corpus" was thought to be an issue within 24 hours, much more time has now elapsed. ????

14 years of age seems like a pretty low cutoff, also......

This really ought to be allowed a discussion here on HN. Given the influence that SV and tech culture has within the administration and that industry's reliance on a large number of foreign workers and those in the US who started as such and became permanent residents and naturalized citizens, it is not without relevance here. Ditto the common thread in conversations here regarding a productive "move fast and break things" approach, when it becomes non-productive, and its current rapid application to US governmental changes directly from this industry.

yes, it will get heated and there will in all likelihood be trolls and flames but also valid discussion, even if headway isn't made on anyone with an entrenched position, since we will all at least see a bit more detail and justification for those positions. If it can't be discussed, at least briefly for significant events of this sort if not for continuing coverage, that would be a pretty awful statement about this community and the influence to it. I'm more optimistic about that, but if that optimism doesn't show at least some small fruit amidst some toxicity well, that too is important to know about the current state of an industry that's supposed to be on the forefront of change and advancement.

such a large part of what's going on extends directly from billionaire tech culture - Musk, Thiel, A16Z - this culture is where things like "we should annex Canada and Greenland" come from. It links closely to "countries should carefully engineer the racial makeup of their nations" as well as "Democracy is obsolete" - both concepts that require draconian and centralized authoritarian control over the lives of citizens both immigrant and non-immigrant alike, as we see now taking place in the US at breakneck speed.

Hacker News is to some extent in this extremely rarefied zone where billionaire tech culture reaches out into the broader tech culture to find new recruits as well as where potential recruits seek connections to this club. This is why I think it's very important that "the other viewpoint" is presented here. Being a tech billionaire is inherently political; you can't be a tech billionaire and claim you aren't a heavily political figure (seriously, PG did a post on the evil of "Wokeness" of all things and the 1000+ comment thread went strong for days). HN's claimed desire to be "non political" is a ruse meant to favor the politics of tech billionaire culture to the exclusion of all others.

edit: and there's the flag. please disperse, citizens!

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