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The theory I know is that you (a human) (er presumably) can outrun anything on four legs for a brief period of time. If that's enough to climb a tree (or more like run up the trunk) then that's probably OK. Crocodiles can't climb trees.

In any case, who's climbing? The reason the article's story is "apocryphal" is because even a few hundred crocs would be toast going up against a few hundred men with guns. Or any weapon really. Crocs are fast but humans are smart and can work together. Like your grandfather's story goes to show.

The somewhat sad truth is that we are the apex predator and the deadliest animal on the planet (yeah, including mosquitoes; humans have killed many more humans than mosquitoes have).

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The theory is the other way around AFAIK. Humans can outrun essentially every land animal if they chase for long enough (most animals have much worse thermal management so they will have to stop after a while to cool down). That allowed early humans to bring down much faster and larger prey, essentially chasing them to exhaustion.

Yes, it is called persistence hunting, and humans are very well adapted to this style of hunting because of our ability to shed heat and run/walk very efficiently. Wolves are another animal that has this behavior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting

Also African painted dogs.

Yes, but not every land animal, some can outrun Homo on the long distances as well (wolves, horses, deer). Mammoth couldn't and died. Moose cannot as well, but survived somehow.

I actually highly doubt that a deer would fare better than a trained human on 50+km, but can't provide any sources

Actually a human and horses on long distances aren't that different. I don't know about wolves, but seems like they would overheat.

Indeed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_versus_Horse_Marathon

That's still a pretty short distances. I think in Ultramarathon, humans would win.

with carbohydrate gels, fancy shoes and years of training on the asphalt and a bunch of servants throwing you motivational words and ice water bottles?

Well, it's rider on a horse. Would be fair if the human runner also carried another human on their shoulders.

Besides, ancient horses were much smaller and couldn't carry a rider, hence chariots. I would like to speculate that smaller means better thermoregulation, so smaller horses fared better on long distances versus Homo genus.

What deer have going for them is the ability to blend in to a herd so that when chasing a deer, if it gets in with the herd, you may end up chasing a freshly rested deer instead of the one that you’ve worn out which gets a chance to rest and regroup. Christopher McDougall’s Born to Run has some interesting chapters about this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0307279189/donhosek)

Average fit humans can run down horses and deer, and I would bet wolves too.

> Other animals, such as deer, bison and others, have bodies more suited to quick, short-distance running. The difference means that an average human being in running shape could catch a horse, deer or almost any other animal by pursuing it to exhaustion.

https://phys.org/news/2024-05-theory-humans-evolved-ability-...

The event happened. The only part that was never known is how many specifically were killed by the crocodiles, vs the sharks (yes there was sharks also), dehydration or their wounds.

Guns didnt help them because it was a dense swamp, up to their waist in water in places, and at the times they were attacked, pitch black, against a fast moving animal they couldnt see. On top of that they had largely abandoned their equipment before entering.

Not to mention to the other comment, the guns these soldiers had weren't submachine guns and modern box magazine semi-auto rifles, 90% of those guys had type 99 or type 38 Arisakas.

5 round stripper clip fed rifles aren't much use when you're being terrorized by something lurking in the water....

Outrunning a crocodile might be possible on dry land, but how often will you be running from one outside a swampy area?

Er presumably that would mean people are faster than horses and cheetahs.

Not true. Bears, dogs, horses, are all faster. We can work together tho

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