A look at the creative process behind Bluey and Cocomelon (2024)
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I don't know about how that show is made, but my guess is that it is more like cocomelon, scientifically tested for efficacy, but with the right intentions set by child development experts.
Only after calling her name three times and considerably raising my voice I got her attention again.
The show that was on was... the cooking channel! So the bar for television completely absorbing a child's attention seems quite low :-)
At that point, might as well consider the next step of getting up and leaving.
Daniel Tiger is one of the very, very few TV shows we let our daughter watch, and it teaches emotional regulation so incredibly well and has plenty of tunes that I've caught her singing to herself, such as "it's okay to feel sad sometimes, little by little, you'll feel better again"
I'm in Australia and never grew up watching Mr Rogers, but after seeing the "A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood" movie I recognised the tunes and then spent an inordinate amount of time looking into the origins.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tiger%27s_Neighborhood
Anyway it's her favorite show. Definitely a fan.
There's a definitely a big gulf between the Mr Rogers / Daniel Tiger / Bluey energy and almost every other show. It's crazy now noticeable it is. Even modern Sesame Street is much more frenetic and lively than old episodes from the 80s and 90s. Which is not to say it's empty junk food like Cocomelon, it's just that those shows have raised the required addictiveness bar overall.
Before he was born I put a lot of thought into what he would watch before he was born assuming it would be a huge necessity to address. I torrented Mr Rodgers and Reading Rainbow and Eureka (amazing old science cartoon if anyone's encountered it) and I even started writing a script that would randomly select from these and automatically turn off after 1-3 episodes.
Basically I am shocked at how wrong I was. He had no natural interest in TV beyond a few minutes, even if we were watching something. We didn't have a reason to push it, when he did see newer kids media like Bluey / Cocomelon etc he would zombie out exactly as you described and then have noticeably crappier behavior for a while after we would have to have a minor battle to turn it off. Felt like microwaving his brain and we had no reason to push it on him so we didn't. After a few days he would never miss it. We let him watch stuff at friend's houses and still pop on old stuff that I downloaded once every week or two. Same basic behavior / problems. We always back off for the same reasons.
I grew up on TV and I don't judge parents who legitimately love watching TV with their kids or need it as a babysitter because of demanding schedules or absent child care assistance. It is an incredible tool in a culture that often separates extended families and discourages grandparents from playing active daily supportive roles.
But yeah for whatever reason our kid started reading independently when he was two, got really interested in languages, got his basic operators down while he was 2-3 and has never had any serious behavioral or developmental problems and other parents are always asking us what we did to accelerate his development and make him such a genius.
We didn't do anything unnatural, we just didn't intentionally push him to watch a lot of TV. He still watches stuff, we still watch stuff. It's just on a laptop and ends when he starts turning into a zombie.
With that said Bluey seems fine to me, my kids the one with the weird zombie reaction. And disclaimers all kids are different, I'm incredibly lucky to work from home on a schedule where I get to hang out with him all the time and I'm pretty sure regardless of zombie Cocomelon watching his generations problems are not going to be rooted in them zonking out on TV but who knows.
I don't know if it's him or genetics or the strictenss around screentime, but he is a pretty easy kid to deal with these days.
TV isn't all bad. Octonauts is cool. He knows so many sea creatures from that show. Creature Cases is another good one.
As a rule we don't allow Blippy because the man creeps me out, and something about his childish behavior rubs me the wrong way. OTOH the other day my 5yo kid asked me if I knew why the sky was blue. I genuinely wasn't sure and he somewhat explained what he learned on TV from a show about sunlight and particles in the air.
0. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/blippi-...
I need to check Bluey, we watched Miraculous, tales of Ladybug with our kids and enjoyed it (the plot is for adults).
There is a whole bunch of "junk food" in both tv and videogames (those were you win no matter what). I'm hoping things get better.
It's a bit annoying really because there isn't anything else like it at all. I would say the closest things are Pixar films which manage to appeal to adults and children. I'm not aware of any TV like that though. Apart from Bluey we're stuck with trash like Paw Patrol, Bing, Blippi, etc.
There are a small number that are not extremely annoying, but you still wouldn't actually want to watch them: Gabby's Dollhouse, Puffin Island, maybe Hey Duggee.
I'd also recommend getting your hands on the cartoons you enjoyed as a kid. Odds are good your kids will like them for the same reasons you did, although you may find that they don't all hold up for you.
I grew up with WB Loony Tunes (and Tex Avery and Superchicken and Wacky Racers and...), and that style of animation looks positively ancient in comparison to the modern animation style - whatever you call it - rendered as sort-of-3D. For example, Paw Patrol.
This actually worries me because I want my kid (currently 5yo) to have the benefit of the utter anarchy of Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck and Roadrunner.
Some of them, Adventure time being a great example, can appeal to very young kids but they'll find new meaning in those episodes as they get older.
I think shows like Infinity Train, Avatar the Last Airbender/Legend of Korra, Steven Universe, and Samurai Jack will be better after a kid is old enough that Cocomelon wouldn't hold any appeal, but even at that age Sarah & Duck, Hilda, MLP, Craig of the Creek, etc could still be good. Just about anything that holds their attention and isn't Cocomelon is a huge win. If you'll enjoy it, all the better.
Craig of the Creek was also pretty good, though I don't think it has a wider arc (I am not entirely certain though.)
Old episodes of Blues Clues are also great for little kids.
Bluey is a certified work of perfection. My kids have stopped watching it now. I'm tempted to watch them all from the start by myself.
Pretty much any episode that has the girls learning a lesson is also teaching a lesson to any of the parents watching. Or "adults," I should say -- I don't even have kids and I feel like a better person for having watched!
I feel like most cartoon parents are either completely hapless morons (Papa Pig in Peppa Pig) or 100% perfect all the time robots (I love you Mr. and Mrs. Tiger but you're paragons, hard to relate to as parents). Bandit and Chili are incredible parents who also make mistakes and have real emotions and reactions to things. They absolutely make me want to be a better parent in a way that is actually achievable.
We had a good time with it. Not sure if you watched it all, I'm looking forward the next season to see how the plot unravels.
But I'll definitely check Bluey :)
That being said, I wish there was a genre tagged as "engaging for adults, fun for kids": there are a bunch of movies and shows along these lines, but they aren't tagged in any other way.
Another genre that exists but I can't find is "boring for kids but child-friendly", basically any tv show that says stuff they can't properly follow, doesn't have action scenes, but has a convoluted plot for adults. On the top of my mind I can think of Shrinking (my kids still don't understand cursing in english, only italian, so this is great), but I remember there was an even better one that I can't think of right now.
Rocky & Bullwinkle was here. Loaded with adult-friendly puns and hommages.
If you hate Cocomelon like me, you’ll love Bluey. It’s like the polar opposite of it.
https://www.britannica.com/art/catharsis-criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharsis https://www.persee.fr/doc/rbph_0035-0818_1965_num_43_1_2556
Why do we want to synthetically manipulate our brains into an emotional reaction, especially in the case of a negative emotion?
As another commenter points out, it's a good way of learning - about yourself, how you feel, about other perspectives. It's also, hopefully, a chance to grow - reflect on your past, your mistakes, how you've treated others.
Years later, when I watch a good movie that results in someone losing a parent figure, I'll often have quite a deep emotional reaction to it. But in the end I like these experiences. They help me look into those situations again and help me analyze the connection to losing my mom. Being in that state of emotion again helps me process it now that I'm in a very different stage in life.
This is my understanding. Caveat: I am not a person who cries much, if at all.
crying is absolutely not limited to “a negative emotion.”
if you’re struggling to imagine a crying situation that isn’t negative, i would heavily encourage you to indulge in more art.
So in the same way that riding a bike after a long time is much harder than it is to ride one when you use it every day, you can generalize this to something like emotions. It is bad to only experience one type of feeling all the time, and variety is good. Having a controlled, relatable medium lead you to experience a less commonly-felt emotion feels good. I don't know if I can explain why--maybe we have mechanisms in our brain for encouraging this novelty--but this is likely why we seek out these emotional experiences.
Also ugly crying is not always a negative reaction. It's empathy which is important to our survival (and also wonderful).
Moi j’aime qu’on me parle doucement, ça me donne envie de pleurer ; et quand j’ai envie de pleurer ça me rend tout heureux. C’est bête, n’est-ce pas ?
Which Deepl translates as: I like to be spoken to softly, it makes me want to cry; and when I want to cry it makes me all happy. Silly, isn't it?I understand it's very ingrained in our culture at this point that this is a thing people do. But, if I decontextualize enough mentally, it starts to feel quite strange: manipulating one's brain into having a negative emotional reaction.
The answer is ultimately that if you deconstruct and logically analyse any particular human activity it either ruins the fun and/or makes you realise how primitive and dark most forms of entertainment are. People like being emotional, for whatever reason.
I like the explanation that says it’s about learning, though. Learning somehow feels intrinsically good.
Likewise, deliberately experiencing sad (or otherwise) emotional states has both short term and long term positive outcomes. In the short term we feel a sense of catharsis, and perhaps reassured that our feelings are relatable. In the long term we feel more in touch and less overwhelmed by our emotions.
Plus, it's not JUST about the crying. I'm order to get to the point where the tears are actually falling, you have to go through all the build up that makes you care very deeply about the characters and situation. When that works well enough to get you to cry over a cartoon? It's fucking MAGICAL. =)
Then we watch Severance when the kids go to bed and that’s it. Just like there’s junk shows for kids we’ve got junk shows for adults, and it’s hard to deny it to children when we don’t deny it for ourselves. The kids complain way less too when we’re like “well we’re all giving this stuff up”, because they have an innate sense of fairness.
Yes, lucky we're in the UK so have CBeebies available, but there's no reason to not screen and curate your kids media diet. I don't understand people who just let their toddlers consume crap on YT.
At six my son currently has one Bluey episode (in English, simply to emerse him in another language he will pick up in any case later on) and one Shaun the Sheep after school (that's a combined twenty minutes or so). Shaun hits the exact spot in terms of humour for six year olds, and is brilliant with none of the characters actually speaking.
My son really likes it. Our friends bought us the vinyl record. Act of war imo.
My son is still under 2, so he prefers other low intensity shows like Mini Kids and Night Garden. The way he gets into Mini Kids is insane, I havent seen cocomelon but I am betting he would get drawn too far into that. Mini Kids sounds like the antidote to cocomelon, no fast cuts, slow music, and mostly just toddlers interacting with toys and each other on television.
They’re also short episodes so they don’t feel too involved.
That's most children's shows these days. Male protagonists are getting harder to find.
We probably watch one or two hours of Ms. Rachel videos a day with our daughter. We've got several family friends with a household rule of "no screens at all for kids" who would scoff at that but their rule seems both draconian and technophobic to me. Our daughter has picked up many words and concepts from the show and we've learned a lot of the songs as a family and sing them when the context comes up (ex: "baby put your pants on..."). Ms. Rachel has been a hugely positive parenting tool for us.
Every once in a while, though, YouTube will try to autoplay some Cocomelon after a Ms. Rachel video and wow it's just absolute garbage. I think this article captures it well: it feels like slop engineered to keep young eyeballs glued to the screen with no higher purpose than increasing the number of engaged minutes.
Instead of "no screens," the more granular "you can choose from this menu of approved content on your screen for a reasonable amount of time per day" is the better parenting move for our family.
She is great and lots of her videos are a blessing for parents with children with hearing impairment as she uses lots of techniques that our Speech and Language therapist used to teach us.
It's pretty wild to be how young babies can start signing compared to speech development.
The episode referenced in the article ("Whale Watching" about the parents being hungover) is another that, while not my favourite or anything, is certainly one of those experiences you probably have as a parent that nobody's really talking about or making media about. Bluey's managing to be entertaining and wholesome for kids while hitting on a mostly untapped niche of "relatable parenting experiences".
With how much "junk food" TV is out there, Bluey's a real gem. For kids and parents alike.
The show’s popularity has led to some people buying Blue Heelers as a pet for their kids… which will probably backfire because they aren’t meant to be house dogs
(Blue Heelers need an insane amount of exercise and can be pretty aggressive)
Heelers will demand four hours of an aerodynamic throwing stick tossed the length of a football field and back and then want a 5km run to the beach to cool down.Failure to deliver can result in the destruction of everything you love.
Her destructiveness though was nothing on a German Shepherd.
In trying to find calmer shows, two I like are Tumble Leaf and Guess How Much I Love You. Tumble Leaf has a stop-motion look and every episodes involves finding and object and using it to solve a problem. Guess How Much I Love You has a watercolor look and is about a rabbit family and pretty calm. I don't enjoy those as much as Bluey, but I enjoy how my kid behaves after watching them.
I'd like to find more like those two if anybody knows any.
Bandit (the Dad in the show) has inspired me to be a better Dad and a better husband. I’ve heard people complain that his character sets unrealistic expectations, but if you shift your mindset a little I believe it is totally possible.
One of, if not the greatest kids and parents shows I’ve seen.
I had the same experience. I'm tearing up a little in the office thinking about a cartoon for toddlers! Incredible.
This is from further down the page, but it reminded me: when the not guilty news broke, Norm MacDonald, who hosted SNL's fake news bit at the time, and had been constantly making OJ jokes about how obviously guilty he was, opened with the line, "Murder is legal in the state of California."[0] Perfect.
I think the greatest social failure of that day isn't that he walked, it's that half the country didn't have the self-awareness to take stock - to understand both the legal and social system that we'd set up that lead to that outcome, to see how we'd been manipulated by the media - and to maybe have the grace to let it go. (The last time someone brought it up to me, in person, was a scant 3 years ago, in a context so ridiculous that I don't know that I should relate it.)
I think it is influenced by the Flintstones, a little bit.
The upstairs hallway is sometimes a normal short one, and other times is long enough to land a space shuttle.
At one point you could stay in it on air bnb. I think it's been remodelled to a family home since that time.
And I don't mean just the OST (there are 3 albums), Bluey can also serve to introduction your kids to a wide range of classical music.
https://blueypedia.fandom.com/wiki/Classical_Music_in_Bluey
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3lXnsxg2AOj6QASadNBYcN (Spotify's Bluey classical music playlist.
The 153rd episode is scheduled for April 14 and many believe that it will be the end of the show in its current form (more on this later).
Measurably increased my stress level ... :(
The last episode is great on an almost Pixar level - there’s three separate stories happening and kids will only really pick up on one and a half.
And yes, the wedding episode is epic although we pretty much love all of it.
I’m scared. Very scared.
So while I idolise the show, I also sit around trying to identify the families net worth, which is likely quite a lot.
Its sad that we get this amazing tv show but the lifestyle in the show (having a huge brisbane adjacent queenslander with a lovely tree in the backyard and hours and hours of free time to spend with your kids) is out of reach for so many.
I want to be clear that I'm not blaming you, you needed a tool to get your child to sit still for an important reason, and I've done the same.
One similar show to Bluey I didn’t see mentioned is Puffin Rock. Very chill and wholesome. Probably appropriate for a bit before Bluey in terms of what a child will understand.
Especially the albums Here come the 1, 2, 3s and Here Comes Science.
My wife and I really enjoyed Caspar Baby Pants and Laurie Berkner for kids music.
[1]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL86-PnO8H7d9uS59c0f6-...
It’s deeply disappointing the US can’t come up with anything comparable. Sesame Street is a shadow of what it once was — the kids won’t sit down for it at all. Daniel Tiger tests slightly better, but christ is the tone patronizing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/03/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas...
It's available "where you get your podcasts" (though might be old enough now to not be after the NYT added a paywall for old audio material)
This line knocks it out of the park. I'm so glad that my kids never like Cocomelon, and still to this day, at age 7 and 10, like to watch Bluey. The worst part of them watching Bluey is that Dad sets unrealistic expectations for the rest of us! (a common topic on /r/daddit)
"Hold On to Your Kids: Why Parents Need to Matter More Than Peers" talks about this that screen time is replacing connection (bond) between kids and parents. and bond is of most importance for raising children. which if you missed the train cant be created later (only mended)
our family was going that path (media consumption), but made a change (couple weeks of tantrums) and now it reflects quite positively. So i guess the main issue is to not overuse. even if the show is "really good"
its an incredible show and deeply enriching for both me and my little one. we’ve given our two year old very limited screen time with mister rogers and, since, they’ve taken up great fondness to making believe, we talk about characters and situations on the show regularly, and they naturally separate themselves from the screen after a while.
I’ve been very strict about exposure and screen time but mister rogers has been a blessing and provided me great relief for an hour a day.
The jazz aspect of the show completely flew over my head when i was a child but it’s brilliance shines now that i listen as an adult. No two shows are played the same. Costa and his band are constantly riffing. The show is honestly a f-ing incredible work of art.
And he had a specific use of language that was incredibly deep and mindful unlike Daniel Tiger.
It’s representation of how the parents behave around, and communicate with, their kids, and the numerous examples of ideas for how to play with your children make the show invaluable to parents.
The fact that kids love it too only reinforces its clever brilliance.
The way each episode tells you the name of the episode, for example. My kids can name the episode they want by name, which I can search. For other shows, you get a toddler’s description that can itself be a puzzle to interpret.
They’re also short enough that they don’t have to add filler.
"This episode of Bingo is called Bingo."
When I learned that some of my favorite TV shows of my childhood were only made to sell toys, it was kind of shattering, but then I see it in everything now. Paw Patrol find a dinosaur land - aka - you need to buy your kid 8 new vehicles and the new dino characters, up next, Paw Patrol goes to space! Adults making TV shows always have a weird ulterior motive and the programming tends to reflect it.
If you want children shows that are actually educational and fun, I usually recommend PBS Kids.
Also Bluey indeed bullies their father. He acts like he hates it every time, but based on how Chilli escapes most of the time, they must really hate it. I don't remember Bluey called out for that, only rewarded.
You’ll notice that he’s much more concerned with how Bluey plays with Bingo than he is with how she plays with him. He’s big, he can take it.
Faceytime is a good example of “kid is naughty and gets in actual trouble”.
And then there is the Backpackers episode where Bingo takes her turn and punches him repeatedly.