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Well, we've all got to start somewhere, right?

But yeah, I'd personally recommend Docker for self-hosting. Kubernetes or Proxmox always end up being too much to handle for personal use - or even small to medium sized companies.

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> Proxmox always end up being too much to handle

I've been running a 2-node Proxmox cluster for about 3 years with close to no maintenance. What's too much about it?

It gives me easy VM and LXC management and very easy declarative networking and firewalling. That alone makes it worth it for me.

Right, proxmox (like k8s) is a huge force multiplier for individuals trying to manage large/diverse surface areas. I run both for my own stuff at home (well k8s in the cloud, but its not work related) precisely because of the power it offers.

Yes they are complicated. Yes, they are still worth learning. And once you learn them they make a lot of sense to use when given the option.

I think OP is saying Proxmox isn't really that complicated compared to K8. I guess my perspective is warped since I know what I'm doing pretty well, but installing Proxmox and setting up some basic VMs or LXC containers (especially if you use the helper scripts) isn't that hard. Sure, there is still some added complexity, but I think that's more than offset by the ease of doing backups alone. Meanwhile, my experiences with K8s have all been mostly painful and I didn't really feel like I gained anything to offset the complexity versus just using Docker (for my personal use, obviously K8 makes sense at enterprise scale or if you use your homelab for learning).

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