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> So yeah, the current window wouldn't work for me, but that's fine. Everything doesn't have to be for everyone. We all live in our bubbles anyway; creating artificial rules could actually be ways of creating new, unexpected interactions.

I like the idea that something like this could be open for 3 hours in the evening local time. Like, you'd get totally different communities coming on at different times, and having completely separate experiences together. But some other people would bridge the gap.

While you're online, every hour some people would be forced to leave and some other people could join.

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A moving window would be just like what you already get with somewhat global communities. E.g. hn while Europe and Africa is mostly sleeping vs hn while the Americas are mostly sleeping. As I understand it, seven39 is not so much about only being allowed to chime in during a specific time window, but about it being offline outside that window. You could have multiple instances from date line to date line, but they'd have separate content and user identities (even if some people might have accounts in different timezones).

What I really don't get, it completely blows my mind: why hasn't this concept been completely chewed through, explored to hell and back, back in the days when everybody and their dog tried to invent some new variation of social media website (and get bought up by Yahoo when they ran out of runway or grew tired of it)? Age of the yo app? Feels almost as if the convertible wasn't invented before 100 years after the automobile.

> why hasn't this concept been completely chewed through,

Perhaps because it would be self-defeating from a profit perspective

I think that what sets this type of apart is its position as a response to the fatigue people feel from social media in its current form. I don't think something like this would have resonated as much when social media was in its infancy.

True. Also in the very old days, people actively "went online" at certain times. Dial in the modem, visit the Internet Cafe, things like that. A web community would better be ready and waiting.

But then on the other hand, there have been a few years between that time and the present...

It was always a small source of joy on Discord to see Americans getting on the server while East Asians would go to sleep, with us Europeans being in the middle. It always feels so cute for some reason I can't explain, but I do love that every time.

You had this on IRC and the good old phpBB forums back in the days too.

Definitely remembering the appearance of the "morning crew" looking for whatever recent stuff they had missed out on ;)

s/had/have

Back in late 1990s I had xplanet-rendered sun-synchronous rotating Earth as my desktop background. It had the nicknames of our IRC channel regulars placed at their lat/long… it felt cyberpunk af.

This happens on Reddit- you'll make a comment that makes sense to Europeans or Asians, and it gets n upvotes. Then America wakes up and all of a sudden it gets n downvotes.

It's especially interesting in local expat communities: in Asia local time, you'll make a comment that is the ground truth and it gets n upvotes from locals and other foreigners in-country. But then the children of immigrants in America who are associated with that country wake up, and suddenly 8 hours later you're a monster.

This happened to me in Twitter a lot of times (back when it was good). I’ve seen different parts of my time wake up at different times – a very peculiar effect.

This happens on HN too of course!

Pretty much every day that I comment on HN, at least a couple of the comments I write get to +3 or so by the end of the day, and then in the middle of the night they're at +1 or 0. Consistently. I assume it's this.

> But then the children of immigrants in America who are associated with that country wake up, and suddenly 8 hours later you're a monster.

Mostly what this immigrant effect has produced in America is a bunch of movies about how the writer of the movie hates their mother. (EEATO, Turning Red, etc.)

But a funny one I've repeatedly noticed in West Coast Japanese-Americans is they have West Coast progressive political beliefs (basically, noone should ever be punished for crimes because it's mean) at the same time as Japanese ones (copyright violation or disrespecting important big companies should get the death penalty), and I don't think they've noticed.

One approach might be to have many instances, like we do with Discord etc, and have the admins choose a timezone, so an instance for French people would be on Paris time, etc.

Or even just choose the start of the time range directly. French joggers might prefer a different time to French Counter-Strike players.

A complete opposite approach: same instance for everybody, but you can choose the hours when you sign up. Changing is allowed once every 4 weeks or something.

Another idea is that the window drifts slowly, so everyone gets an optimal time. Make the period non divisible by 7 so it doesn't line up on the same day of week every time.

Personally, I think we need less balkanization + telephone game rather than more.

I can see the addicts rewinding their clocks already :)

are you a frontend engineer? cause I'd hope the time checking happens on the server ;-)

What about using vpns to connect through different timezones ?

Where is the server getting information about the user's timezone from pray tell?

It doesn't matter if it's being checked on the client or the server. If the user controls what your code sees, they can fake it.

The user can choose their time zone when they sign up, and the service can prevent them from changing it (or heavily limit how often it can be changed)

It doesn't matter if they fake it. They're only getting one window per 24 hours.

Problem: user goes on vacation three time zones west of their usual location, and now they can’t access the site tomorrow.

Worth it.

Allow everyone to choose their time windows, but require at least 24 hours span between the two time window changes.

The sibling comments are a perfect demonstration why projects tend to balloon in complexity and ever-increasing requirements just to deal with rare corner cases.

YAGNI. A niche tool whose selling feature is time-restricted usage shouldn't have to account for weirdos that miss the point of it and cheat with their clock.

Have seen this happening too often when my sister, brother, or wife were using the iPhone time limit for apps.

like a tavern

Or Second Life in 2006...

like a third place

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