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All of these projects lack server hardening. I think for most devs it would not be a great idea to just point at a server and let 'er rip. I have a pretty extensive cloud-init script I use for this when deploying to a VPS. I workshopped it by finding existing scripts and having a back and forth with Claude. Feel free to roast it :)

https://gist.github.com/NatElkins/20880368b797470f3bc6926e35...

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There is a weird dynamic going on where defaults have become "good enough": ssh with public key configured and password auth disabled, services defaulting to only listening on localhost, etc., but those improvements have also cause people to pay much less attention to server hardening or to checking if any of their services might have unsafe defaults.

The world is made much better by safer defaults, but they also lead to a degree of complacency.

I had a quick look, that "deploy" user can run any sudo command without password? It's basically root at that point. I think that forcing a password (maybe using some lax timeout if you don't want to insert it so often) is a much better option. Correct me if I am wrong, but I also see that there are secrets in the file (e.g., gmail SMTP creds). Make sure the file is protected in read at a minimum. If those are your gmail app credentials, they are pretty serious and obtainable by just reading the file (same goes for postfix config).

I’ve had this argument so many times over the years, and usually the response comes down to security by obscurity because people won’t know the non-root username

That I guess is relevant in the context of brute-force login, which given you only use key with, is not really something I would stress over. However, depending on what that user does, there might be vulnerable services running with its privileges, or there might be supply-chain vectors for tools that user runs.

Thank you for sharing, because I didn't know what cloud-init was until your post. I've done something similar, but packaged as a library of bash functions, designed to be called in arbitrary order. I cannot comment on the specific decisions you made in your file, but the fact that a declarative, compact, and standard solution exists for this problem is music to my ears. Out of curiosity, where did YOU learn of the existence of this feature?

Cloud init/Cloud config is a standard way to provision Linux hosts. It is slowly being outcompeted by Ignition and the friends, though.

> It is slowly being outcompeted by Ignition and the friends, though.

I hope not, because I lack enough foul language to describe my burning hatred for Ignition and all its cutesy campfire-related project codenames. Hate-red.

Looks like it was invented by Canonical for AWS/EC2 in 2006 (!). It was then gradually adopted by other clouds over the next 10 years or so (GCP adopted in 2013, Azure a couple years later). Linode (Akamai Cloud now, I guess) adopted in 2023. Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1053/

This got me to wondering when I first heard about HTML, HTTP, Linux, UTF-8, or any number of things, and from where, how so many of the things I've heard of once and never again, and the many important "standard" things I've never heard of.

It also works great in VirtualBox and Qemu and packer will create the floppy or .iso for cloud-init painlessly: https://developer.hashicorp.com/packer/integrations/hashicor...

I was super sad that Bottlerocket went with their own toml nonsense

I wouldn't put some configuration values like no-new-privileges:true in the global docker daemon config. Eventually you will find some app that will break because of this and you will spend hours troubleshooting it if you do not remember this tiny detail.

Something also has to be said for simplicity and redundant choices. For example replacing systemd-timesyncd with chrony is not justified. And some of the recommended sysctl values may be redundant and already the default in the target OS.

server hardening is definitely an often overlooked aspect... that gist looks comprehensive. i'm curious, have you benchmarked the performance impact of all those security measures? it's a trade-off, right? some community members mentioned using CIS benchmarks as a starting point, then tailoring from there.

Security performance tradeoff is hard, but I always try to keep in mind what the downside to either is. A small performance hit can definitely matter, but for most use cases a security hit will matter a lot more

Thanks for this, I still provision with a bash script.

port 22 and usepam is interesting. maybe set that to not 22 and not use pam unless you have a specific reason to. didn't dig deep to see if you had one but you're not setting a pam.conf.d file as far as I saw. There's more to pick apart, but if that's the best Claude can do my job is safe for 30 more seconds.

hire a professional to secure your shit.

Why not use PAM? Or is the issue the missing PAM hardening?

why use pam when ssh has authentication built in? pam is great if you have a reason to use it. I use it on my Mac so I can use my fingerprint for sudo. turning on pam implies you want to do something with it.

I was recently evaluating pam_ssh_agent_auth . It might be that. It allows sudo with a locally installed key.

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