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You can't. Your best bet is to joint the fediverse so you can interoperate with existing networks, like Mastodon.

> too much moderation

> rampant bot abuse

You can't solve the bot problem without thorough, labor-intensive moderation. These two of your goals are at odds with each other.

I will also say that almost 100% of the value of reddit is the moderation. After Musk eviscerated Twitter's moderation, it became more of a cesspit and people have been leaving for better-moderated networks.

> I want to make sure all political content is restricted or super duper limited

How are you going to do this without moderation?

What's your definition is political? Is discussing climate change political? What about health care?

If filtering certain topics or moderating a social network were a simple problem, bigger companies (like Meta) would've solved it without armies of human moderators.

Which also begs the question: how would you keep CSAM off your network?

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> You can't solve the bot problem without thorough, labor-intensive moderation.

I want to see a social network that solves the bot problem by requiring a fee to post.

It exists: well.com

> I want to see a social network that solves the bot problem by requiring a fee to post.

I think this is doable without losing massive numbers of users. You could do it by requiring a small fee to post publicly, but you could post for free to your followers.

BlueSky kind of flirts with this model because you have to pay to get your own domain if you don't want to use theirs.

Albeit the effect may very depending on the amount of the fee, I find it hard to imagine fee would stop the bot problem. World of Warcraft requires fee for accessing the most recent expansion, as well as the subscription, but it is swarmed by the bots all the same. IMO as long as there are traffic aka money, there will be bots.

It's a question of price.

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> I want to see a social network that solves the bot problem by requiring a fee to post.

Why would people pay to post? Why do people post in the first place?

To attach a fee as proof of their belief in the post content being valuable.

Requiring the fee to post will suppress poor people, not spammers. Bad actors will happily pay to spread/promote spam/misinformation.

Medium does the inverse of this, but sort of the same idea. Content creators are rewarded money from a pool of subscription revenue based on community involvement. I think rewarding good content is more powerful than some barrier to entry.

for CSAM part i'm sure AI solution could work

It's incredibly expensive to do that with flagship models, and many countries have laws that require human intervention for CSAM reports anyway

Perhaps a naive take but money, resources and even legislative friction are non issues to try to solve such a disturbing humanity-level problem on a global scale. Which platform or entity wouldn't want to invest or otherwise back it up? Meta alone should shower such initiative with money and proccessing capacity. So then OP could just integrate simple API into their new social network.

... So wait, you're suggesting that they simply use a non-existent Facebook product which Facebook will, for reasons unclear, provide to their competitors for free?

Not necessarily for free, but since this problem has criminal aspect and lasting negative societal impact, i.e. hurt people hurt people, the solution should not be profit-first.

Meta does offer LLama, don't know their reasons, for free, and i only mention them as a largest platform. This not-yet-existent product should be whatever FAANG and governments effort which will save everybody a ton of money.

Edit: some other reasons i mention Meta

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43293004

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32521609

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35726102

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