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At 15+ years of hosting my own email through multiple IP changes this has not been my experience at all. Hosting your own legit email works fine.

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OK, well it hasn't been MY experience at all, hosting your own legit email with a 100% score on mail-tester, SPF, DKIM and DMARC does NOT work fine because Microsoft still ends up marking all your emails as spam, so maybe you could consider your experience is not universal and just because it happens to work with your IP addresses doesn't mean that's the case for everyone else? Jeez...

No one is “right”.

My experience is that Gmail accepted my emails fine... until one day it didn't. Then some time later it worked again.

I registered for their Postmaster Tools, which says

    No data to display at this time. Please come back later.
    Postmaster Tools requires that your domain satisfies certain conditions before
    data is visible for this chart. 
    Refer to the help page for more details.

The help page has no useful information. I suspect that I sent too little mail for it to register in their systems at all.

Outlook was even worse, and I just told my Outlook users to change providers.

Eventually I capitulated and got Google Workspace, and now everything gets delivered perfectly.

> At 15+ years of hosting my own email through multiple IP changes this has not been my experience at all.

At 25+ years of hosting email through multiple hosting providers, this has been my experience multiple times. To be fair, happening less often with DKIM et al, but those are relatively new inventions.

15+ years hosting email on the same ip space with strict security process. Numerous numerous numerous blocks, black holes, and spam routing. This was personal.

Worked for a company self hosting famous brand emails. They would get blocked too. Imagine telling the band manager of a famous classic rock band that their email to their label was being rejected due to being black listed for spam.. (cc’ing the managers team)

Stop fooling yourself, it does not work fine. If it did you would not rely on that google outlook or yahoo account

Perhaps you're replying to another comment.

That's commercial email. Of course you get flagged for spam. Use a service for that kind of thing.

Personal/private/family email can be easily self-hosted. You just need to know a few things to get it set up properly.

EDIT time is over. I don't want to be misunderstood. I am not claiming to send MASS emails and having them delivered without issues or anything. If we have to do mass emails, they are done with services that provide the GUIs for them etc. There's no way you won't end up in spam lists even if you sign up each invidiual email address in person yourself.

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