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"Free world" my ass. As a European, the US has always been my favorite country and I've been basically universally pro-US all my life. The Recent US decisions managed to turn it 180 degrees for me, in a matter of basically a couple of months. As I consider myself to be a more or less statistical normie, I assume theres many, many more people like me. So: fuck US & eat shit, go suck Putins dick while the EU & the rest of the true free world should focus our efforts on getting nukes, investing in military and intelligence, and leveraging new drone & radar technologies. Theres honestly never been a better time, geopolitically and technologically, to wane off of US-dependence.

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Yeah, kind of agree.

I don’t think this thought would have crossed my mind a few years ago, but I think more European countries need Nukes. Sad, but seems like the US can’t be trusted anymore.

Could be the development of this attitude is part of the point.

To make wars more probable? Shouldn’t be the focus on avoiding war? That won’t happen with less mutual reliance and more weapons.

To wean off US dependence. Or you think they US should be responsible for global policing indefinitely?

With all due respect to your experience and with sincerity, I must ask: did you miss Trump's first presidency? Surely that was the time to become disillusioned with the USA, if not before?

Speaking from my own experience... I was hoping Trump was an anomaly. That the US would have the good sense of NOT voting the guy that directly tried to subvert the electoral process. That somehow the American public still had a moral compass and that the many Americans I admired were representative for their country. I was obviously a fool.

Otherwise, I kept saying to anyone who had ears around me what a grave danger Trump is. I've been doing this for more than 10 years. I saw him as a corrupt asshole since reading his book "The art of the deal" more than 20 years ago. He came highly recommended in the sphere of the then emerging "manosphere"/ PUA culture of the 2000's (I cringe at my own stupidity and shallowness now).

>pro-US all my life >So: fuck US & eat shit

too bad it only took you a few moments to take on this mentality after a lifetime of goodwill. America's been hijacked you should continue to stand with it

> America's been hijacked you should continue to stand with it

I'd say you had a fair chance of not allowing this to happen again. He could have been impeached, arrested, or shot. Either way would have been fine from Europe's perspective (and in fact, it seems like all of those almost happened). Instead the carrot was re-elected.

Relying on them now would be a mistake of the highest order, though I don't doubt that a lot of the political elite in Europe would very much like for things to return to sanity.

Was the US still your favorite during the Bush administration?

>while the EU & the rest of the true free world should focus our efforts on getting nukes, investing in military and intelligence, and leveraging new drone & radar technologies.

You do realize all of that requires massive investment? Where is the EU going to get that money? Raise taxes on a population that is already struggling in a stagnant economy? An economy that is stagnant partly due to the loss of the dirt-cheap energy that European heavy industry was importing from Russia.

As an American (and not one of European decent, so I don't hold the romantic attachment to Europe that many have), I'm perfectly happy with the salty, delusional Europeans agreeing with severing trans-Atlantic relations. Europe has spawned two World Wars and seems intent on flirting with a third. The sooner we disconnect from you guys, and pivot back to a mix of the Pacific Rim + the Americas, the better.

Now if only we could disband AIPAC...

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