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Once a replicator is invented, human economic systems don’t make any sense. In a society without scarcity, money is meaningless as anyone can have whatever he/she desires nearly instantly. Of course, there are great discussions around what this would do to people psychologically and thus what such a breakthrough would do to human civilization.

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A replicator still cannot give everyone a beachfront villa.

But a holodeck could

Okay so you get the holodeck villa, and I get the real beach villa (which also has a holodeck inside). Deal?

Ehm, everyone gets a holodeck, a replicator, and an abundance of energy to run them? Deal, take your beach villa, idc.

you could replicate another planet with just as many or more beachfronts

I wonder if the replicators were made in real life if they' hallucinate generations like Stable Diffusion

Replicators as depicted in Star Trek cannot exist in the real world because they violate the laws of physics.

Do they though? I thought the way they worked was by composing requested items from raw materials kept somewhere in the ship using energy provided by the warp core. If I recall there’s mention of devices that go the other direction, decomposing waste to help replenish raw matter reserves. It’s a bit handwavy but doesn’t seem like it violates the laws of conservation at least.

They violate physics by the use of transporters. This is how replicators really store the enormous amounts of resources - otherwise the ships would be full of material storage.

Imagine condensing the food that people need into a compact goo that can later be restructured into real food. That's not so much volume, especially for a large ship with ample recreational rooms and carpeted flooring.

Plus, keep in mind that poop is likely turned back into food. If you have tech to reassemble molecules from one thing to another, this is trivial.

It's still going to take less energy and fewer resources to just grow the food normally and store it, and even just eat the goo directly than to reconstitute it atom by atom into anything else. Star Trek technology is only efficient because the writers don't care about things like thermodynamics or E=MC^2. In the real world a replicator would need to consume ocean-boiling levels of energy to assemble a cup of early grey tea, and because we don't have "Heisenberg compensators" in our reality, it would definitely be at least a little radioactive, and not entirely tea.

I don't think they convert energy into matter directly as you suggest; they have substance A which they convert into energy and then convert than into substance B. They're not using energy as input and they're maintaining the total amount of energy/matter. At least that's the impression given in the early show; I'm sure they went of the rails at some point.

In any case, if we want to discuss a realistic implementation of this (which is probably at least a century away), we'd likely use some form of nanotechnology to recompose waste into food. But again, without "creating" matter, simply rearranging it.

>we'd likely use some form of nanotechnology to recompose waste into food. But again, without "creating" matter, simply rearranging it.

Nanotech isn't magic. The process would still require energy and would create more waste than can be possibly recovered, and diminishing returns would be inevitable. There's no perfect system possible here, entropy can't be cheated.

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