Comment by zmgsabst | Hacker News Reader

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That’s why Trump saying he’ll normalize tariffs is popular:

Many Americans feel cheated, whereby they give better terms to other parties and don’t even get respect in return. So they now support a movement to mirror that behavior.

This is an example of the iterated prisoner’s dilemma: one side defected on a partnership for their benefit, trust collapsed, and now the originally cooperative partner is acting selfishly as well. Reciprocation is a fundamental part of relationships.

The US isn’t the entity that needs to hear “cooperating is better than a zero sum mindset”.

Edit to respond:

Most of those people are upset about that as well:

- foreign owned farmland and corporations;

- foreign owned condos, etc;

- inflated stock prices enriching Wall St relative to Main St;

…and so on. What you’re describing is the concerns of the petite bourgeoisie who have benefitted from inflated stock prices, housing prices, and land prices.

For Trump supporters, ending that distortion in the market while boosting domestic labor is a win-win.

Americans will “feel cheated” again when reality arrives and learn that a huge part of their economic power is based on the world dumping trillions of dollars of their savings into us stocks, bonds and real estate, thus making the US dollar artificially strong, making it possible for Americans to buy stuff and being rich. Wait until foreign money and trust starts leaving the US to see how “betrayed” you really get, now it has been la la land, let’s wait for the next act..

I don't think the average American knows about what tariffs USA has against Thailand.

I think they feel cheated because they are told to feel cheated.

I assume the intended audience for the tariff talk is rust belt workers (who swung the election) who feel cheated for more dramatic reasons like their company folding while foreign suppliers thrive.

> Many Americans feel cheated, whereby they give better terms to other parties and don’t even get respect in return

> - foreign owned farmland and corporations;

That's hilarious. Many languages have a specific term for US private equity investors that rush in, buy up entire countries' corporations, then try to squeeze out every cent of profit.

Especially after the fall of the Berlin wall and the iron curtain this became a massive issue. See also https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuschreckendebatte

Every American - even the demographics that typically support Trump - has benefited from this.

> Many languages have a specific term for US private equity investors that rush in, buy up entire countries' corporations, then try to squeeze out every cent of profit.

Sure — the US bourgeoisie and petite bourgeoisie benefitted. But they’re not the ones supporting Trump or feeling cheated.

> But they’re not the ones supporting Trump or feeling cheated.

One of the groups most benefiting from the US dominance in the past decades were the farmers. Which is one of the larger lobby blocks and voting groups supporting trump.

And the logic doesn't compute either. Average people around the world got exploited by western, but primarily US, billionaires.

So the average people, the proletariat, should unite and revolt against those billionaires.

Instead the US proletariat voted to give billionaires even more power, in the hope that "their" billionaires would exploit foreigners more than themselves?

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