Ask HN: How do you feel now about your Tesla purchase?
Now that the cat is out of the bag, how do you feel about your Tesla purchase?
I traded mine in for a Rivian this week, couldn't stomach it anymore.
I traded mine in for a Rivian this week, couldn't stomach it anymore.
Do you know what they did in WWII?
Driving a new Tesla now especially a Cybertruck is signalling a lot about yourself. To many people it shows at best you don't care at all about politics, and the worst is much worse. I'm sure that won't deter some but it clearly has influenced other consumers especially for a company who's consumer base has been environmentalists
However, there’s a difference between “this corporate entity supported the Nazis 80 years ago, albeit all humans involved are now dead” (absent a corporate death penalty you’re always going to get this) and “the CEO of this company is prancing around doing Nazi salutes _right now_”. Like, seriously, can you not see that?
> Like, seriously, can you not see that?
If you see him heil, you're reading into it.
Just because you don't like someone, you can't make up stuff about them.
This is what's wrong with American politics. Truth doesn't matter.
I'd expect more from fellow engineers.
Now that Cybertruck is another story, there's no excuse for that monstrosity.
This was in 2020. Is it only bad when it's about Europe and the US?
> couldn't stomach it anymore
Why?
"I love this product because I am oblivious to the immediate political consequences of owning it. You can't make me care about security or privacy until I decide to care about it!"
At least we now know with hindsight that every Google, Apple and Meta product was completely benign. At least, that's what my deprivation from media narratives tells me.
My other Tesla is on lease, so I couldn't care less about the price drops.
These assumptions(including the ones in the submission) is only true within a certain bubble and an echo chamber. Strange that half the country isnt even acknowledged and are actively downvoted and flagged to stop them from engaging, which works well.
It’s not an echo chamber to notice that Tesla’s owner linking his identity to an extremely partisan role turns off the approximately half of people who don’t share his politics:
https://navigatorresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Nav...
That’s not a bubble, it’s just basic business sense: if you’re in a competitive market, there a cost to giving people a reason to look elsewhere and especially so when most of your historical buyers have been in the opposing camp. It’s why you don’t know how the CEOs of Ford or Toyota vote, because they are smart enough not to jeopardize their long-term future just for a little publicity now.
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101536
I got downvoted(without a counterpoint reply) for asking for sources and making a fact based assertion. There's probably dozens of examples like that. On Reddit you see comments with dozens of downvotes for replying with a simple fact "Musk founded SpaceX" to a comment which says "Musk bought all his companies" which has hundreds or thousands of upvotes.
> You don’t appear to have any trouble engaging
Many a time I stop myself from commenting even though I think have a good counterpoint because I get dowvoted(which sometimes restricts commenting for like an hour or two and you get time limited) and flagged. Not to mention personal attacks when I made a good point because people are angry. It's all one sided posts making the front page for the most part. Reddit is wayyyy worse though, I had to stop engaging there.
> It’s not an echo chamber
It's hard to see the bubble when you're inside it. It's like having green goggles on all the time the world looks green. It's hard for people to even understand that for some people the world may not look green. I never voted Republican in my life anyway and may not, but it's really hard not to miss all the abject bias everywhere.
That comment could have been more thoughtful. You were asking about the wrong thing (“for this”) because the parent commenter was referring to previous events.
> which sometimes restricts commenting for like an hour or two and you get time limited
> Not to mention personal attacks when I made a good point because people are angry.
Gotta say, neither of these happen to me. (At least, any personal attacks usually seem to come after a personal attack of my own.) The fate of your comments may very well benefit from a bit more thoughtfulness.
Perhaps keep in mind that many comments with good qualities and bad qualities are downvoted for their bad qualities; the trick is to minimize those.
> It's hard to see the bubble when you're inside it.
Indeed. Why do you feel like you are more informed than them? Could it not be your bubble that you fail to see?
Comments which are not thoughtful but in the other direction are not dowvoted for example search for "Daddy Trump" in HN search.
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
Those are not flagged, and prolly not even downvoted. If there are similar loq quality name calling comments making fun of thehe other side, bam flagged in seconds.
Any way other examples:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43098607
> Why do you feel like you are more informed than them? Could it not be your bubble that you fail to see?
Because facts, opinions and slanted headlines and stories that support the prevalent bubble of one side are heavily featured. The facts that support or negate those barely even show up on the front page, and comments referencing those are usually downvoted or flagged. This happens with a lot of topics that don't fit the preferred narrative of the site.
I consume content mostly from the same bubble that is prevalent on HN, but I also look at the opposite side with an open mind while checking possible misinformation and my own biases, which appears to be sorely lacking with people.
> Gotta say, neither of these happen to me
Maybe it's because you're in the same prevelant bubble as most of HN is in? Try posting facts with good sources that don't support the narrative and see what happens.
> Try posting facts with good sources that don't support the narrative and see what happens.
People you disagree with post facts and good sources and they get upvoted. Is it possible that you are disregarding them the same way you feel your comments are being disregarded?
Not true. I am saying the narratives on HN are mostly one sided, especially the posts that make the front page, some very biased with bad clickbait titles. Comments that counter the narrative properly are sometimes upvoted but a good chunk are downvoted or flagged.
Stories that counter the narrative very rarely reach the front page. You may not even realize such articles exist. From what sources do you get your news from?
Edit:
You haven't addressed why comments saying Daddy Trump aren't flagged or downvoted. Try saying something similar against "the other side".
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
I guess you think those comments follow the HN etiquette, if so we are done here. You're just unable to see bias when it's right in your face, or you're being disingenuous, so there's no point trying to have a rational conversation.
> Strange that half the country isnt even acknowledged and are actively downvoted and flagged to stop them from engaging, which works well.
Would you be willing to consider that your bubble/echo chamber is informing this belief?
You saw how many liberals and moderates who voted for Dems in 2024 didn't vote in 2024 or changed their vote, even minorities. While liberals expected a big victory because they were stuck in their bubble.