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> "woke" [...] is about being aware of the past 500 years of global history, systematic systems of oppression, racism, discrimination, religious wars, a reasonable understanding of the root causes of the major wars of the past 100 years and their aftermath, various genocides, pogroms, assassinations, coup d'etat, economic disparities between wealthy nations and developing nations, global patterns of push and pull factors for immigration, the role that major international organizations like the UN, NATO, EU play in global politics, culturally specific implementations and practices of non-binary and non-heterosexual gender norms in cultures very alien to western european cultural backgrounds, I could go on for quite some time.

Ben Shapiro is aware of all those things you wrote on your wall of text. Is he woke? The same is true for Jordan Peterson, Roger Scruton, Curtis Yarvin. Are all of those people woke?

Aware probably doesn’t cut it. “Aware and compassionate enough to _try_ not to abuse others for your own benefit” is probably a more complete and explicit statement of wokeness (along with all of that which was stated earlier).

Unfortunately I see “woke” as a brand the right uses to disparage compassion, tolerance and intellectualism.

In my experience, I haven't often seen the right disparaging "compassion, tolerance and intellectualism". What I usually see is the right criticizing identity politics. For example, this post is about a Biden program that has the following requirements. Would you say this case is an instance of "compassion, tolerance and intellectualism" or identity politics?

> In addition, states had to prove that they promoted participation from minority-owned businesses, women-owned businesses, and “other socially or economically disadvantaged individual-owned businesses.” They also had to create a Five-Year Action Plan that required collaborating with unions and “underrepresented communities,” including prisoners, LGBTQI+ individuals, women, and people of color.

Definitely compassion and tolerance. Ensuring that the program serves the underserved is the right thing to do.

The right may criticise the left of pandering to identity politics but that’s rich. Sounds like projection to me.

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