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Kagi's Orion browser has a lifetime sponsor price of $150. That plus the Kagi subscription support its development.

It's currently macOS and iPad/iPhone only, but a Linux version is being worked on. I don't know their plans for a Windows version.

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Which is great, but I'm not going to buy it until it's fully open source: https://orionfeedback.org/d/3882-open-source-the-browser/34

On one hand I agree, on the other hand, their claim that they are too small to support a large community of developers is not wrong.

Also, they claim "zero telemetry", so I don't really know what's going on, I know it's not leaving my computer.

I find that currently even if it's far from perfection, Orion is the lesser evil in the browser scenario.

Tbh while I have been using Kagi as search and their AI assistant a lot lately, their browser lacks massively in functionality. uBlock Origin has never been working for me, neither on macOS nor on iOS, and for me it just doesn't deliver enough to convince me to switch.

What is a fair price? Developers are not cheap and you need to pay many of them every month (or get the equivalent in donated time). We can debate that number of course, so I'm going to start the discussion at $50/year. So your "lifetime sponser" is only worth 3 years (ignoring interest which isn't significant at this time scale).

Accounting for lifetime anything is hard (I don't know how to do the math, I'm sure people that do debate a lot of complex issues), but I'm again going to suggest that a lifetime subscription needs to be 20x the yearly fee to give a number to start the debate at.

oh absolutely, I agree. I don't think $150 is adequate to fund development of a browser.

And it crashes constantly. Lots of other bugs that you start noticing when doing deeper things. I tried it for about six months. Just not a reliable or serious browser although very fast when it actually works.

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