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Just installed Waterfox a couple hours ago. ( https://www.waterfox.net/ ) I'm getting fed up with all the latest Mozilla bullshit to the point I'm ready to switch browsers.

Ladybird is starting to look good too, from an end user daily driver perspective, technically it has been impressive for a long time.

One other thing I'm really hopeful is to embed Ladybird engine in a "first class" way. Think of if as an Electron alternative but in a sane way.

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Waterfox looks worth a try, but I opted for LibreWolf because it's verified on Flathub and Waterfox is not. It looks like the Flathub version of Waterfox was packaged the same BrowserWorks Ltd that makes Waterfox, but they didn't take the extra steps to get verified so we can't be sure. Hopefully they can remedy that. Browsers are too important to install from untrusted sources.

For what it's worth, it's the opposite situation on Windows: The Waterfox installer is signed (even with an Extended Validation certificate), the LibreWolf installer isn't.

Another thing that surprised me is that there is a Waterfox Android build in the Play Store. Reviews of that are however mixed.

Similar on macOS, the LibreWolf team (somewhat understandably) refuses to pay for Apple's developer account to notarize their builds, so every update I have to remove the quarantine extended attribute (Homebrew can do this as part of updating now) or the OS helpfully tells me my browser is damaged and needs to be deleted.

Librewolf is available on Microsoft Store officially tho

Waterfox got bought by an advertisement company System1.

Not surprisen that Waterfox can be signed by Microsoft.

It's been independent again since 2023, so multiple years

Did you check for changes in its Article of Board or Incorporation?

Stealth BoD(s)?

> One other thing I'm really hopeful is to embed Ladybird engine in a "first class" way. Think of if as an Electron alternative but in a sane way.

I have the same hope. If it were performant enough I would find reasons to use it for gamedev, even with quirks.

Servo is already embeddable, you can use it in Tauri (https://servo.org/blog/2024/01/19/embedding-update/) or Qt (https://www.kdab.com/embedding-servo-in-qt/).

Waterfox got bought by an advertisement company System1. You should looka at Zen Browser or Librewolf instead.

It's been independent since 2023, so multiple years

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