You joke, but I suspect there is a contingent that is fine with a much poorer backwater US if they can put women back in their place and the gays back in the closet. Poverty might even help restore these traditions.

Like tankie communists they care more about the ideology than the real outcome. They are in love with a fantasy of how the world ought to look and if it doesn’t look that way it must burn.

This is why I have a low opinion of all ideologues, those on the left as well. They will all kill and impoverish us if the square peg does not fit in the round hole.

There are also white nationalists for whom white birth rates and ethnic cleansing are the only things that matter. Same deal there.