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This kind of product is really shameful, and peak capitalism... looking at people as mere robots to serve your, disgusting

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Nobody looks at people as robots. Robots are cheaper, do not require food or sleep, and do not have to be murdered when they attempt to unionize.

Robots are far superior.

But then if everyone is out of their job and unemployed ? who will buy the stuff if noone has the money.

I think there is a balance.

Otherwise its going to be 1984 in more than one way (the spying part is already there) (it would also do of that the countries are ready to produce things as much but they won't and limit it to create that constant mood of war to make people not question them / make them weak.)

I think capitalism has fallen. Capitalism is a good system but to its degrees. If you push the accelerator too hard , you get fuedalism.

and we are at feudalism. I am not sure if we can undo this. Let this sink in, the american dream , all our thinkng that capitalism being good and communism being bad fundamentally doesn't matter because we have entered a system where the lines of division are so blurry that they are practically nonexistent.

CGP Grey did a video on this topic about 10 years ago. Curious if the video aged well. [1]

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU [video][15 mins][Humans Need Not Apply]

> Curious if the video aged well.

Just watched it, and I would say that it did age very well.

> But then if everyone is out of their job and unemployed ? who will buy the stuff if noone has the money.

Last time I tried to say something like that I got plenty comments calling me for reading too many sci-fi books... I guess some people just lack imagination and experience with exponentials.

Having a "job" is not some universal good. What people need is resources/needs met. Refusing to buy factory shoes because it puts cobblers out of business is a losing strategy. Better to support the former cobblers needs than to keep forcing them to make shoes.

Except I just want to say that we don't support the cobblers ?

Would they even be cobblers if they are out of business / are heavily impacted by it (like it wipes out 90% cobblers , making their lives actively worse , forcing them to go into the factory lives which actively sucks for them)

I am not sure this is a nuanced topic.

Not yet for many tasks. Humans are more flexible, easier to replace (nothing to install etc) and one fte in this type of work is 10 years of robot. Hope it will change soon, but it's not there yet.

Hm, how do you explain that humans are still working in factories all around the world then ?

Because there are still a lot of things robots simply can't do, like picking items and packaging them. Seems incredibly simple, right? It's not. It's also the reason we won't have self driving vehicles before the collapse of western society.

Peak capitalism would have the employees holding their own value and not being crushed in trash power dynamics to allow this kind of stuff. Capitalism is about nonviolent voluntary exchanges between two parties, when one party has a power dynamic skewed in such a way they can use tools like this that employees hate, then that’s not capitalism anymore.

That's approaching "real communism has never been tried".

apologists everywhere are all the same

so this is more like peak feudalism huh?

back to 1800's I suppose.

There is no seperation b/w private entities , the state and the church , all trying to exploit the middle class / lower class was one of the gists that I think when I recall feudalism sounds familiar ? Guess what ? We are living at one right now.

Funny that what you describe will never exist without heavy (extreme?) regulation and progressive taxation, which are anathema to most advocates of capitalism. Have you considered that maybe your definition of capitalism doesn't agree with the definition society has agreed upon?

yes yes true capitalism has never been tried. You realize you're doing the same thing hardline communists do right?

Apparently on their website they're asking for comments/feedback, so... you can tell them yourself what you think of their disgusting tech

> Let us know at founders@optifye.ai, and we’ll help them drop their cortisol levels :)

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