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> Let’s say you make $1 million per year and your net worth is $20 million.

Then you are unambiguously extremely rich.

Yes there are people orders of magnitude richer, but yes you are orders of magnitude richer than the median American. Money is no longer a daily consideration to live a 100% comfortable and healthy (to the extent money can pay for it) life.

I am well aware of how much more obscenely wealthy the ultrawealthy are. That doesn’t make a $20MM net worth or $1MM/yr household middle class.

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It makes them effectively have similar societal power as the middle class. They don’t have anywhere near enough money to wield institutional power and at most exert control on the lives of a handful of employees or tenants or whoever. They can’t get their names on institutional buildings.

They could retire immediately and live on that net worth but their standard of living would be greatly impacted by doing so rather than continuing their income-generating activities.

They could face major financial consequences by spending their money frivolously or losing it in a lawsuit. They have a low enough amount of money that they could gamble it away or lose it all in a bad business investment.

I think that makes them much closer to the middle class than the truly wealthy who cannot lose their fortune even if they tried their hardest and have essentially no feasible way to have their standard of living lowered. For example, if Twitter shut down after Elon bought it, there would be no detectable difference to his lifestyle or buying power. There is no amount he could gamble at a casino where he would lose his fortune.

> It makes them effectively have similar societal power as the middle class.

No they don't

> They can’t get their names on institutional buildings.

This has never been the purview of the "merely rich."

> I think that makes them much closer to the middle class than the truly wealthy

Sure they are closer to the middle class than the ultrawealthy, but that does not make them either not-rich or middle class.

This really is splitting hairs anyway. There’s a good argument that the median income of the US is very rich.

I take rich/wealthy to mean a much higher social class than $1 million in annual income. That type of income would be like a husband and wife who are doctors working as employees with a boss bossing them around and working long hours.

If you’re a W2 employee like that I don’t think you are rich/wealthy.

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