If the argument is that there's no credible evidence, retorting with a vague question doesn't really help your case. If anything it reinforces the original claim that there's no credible evidence.

>but what, are you honestly saying that you're going to be surprised if WhatsApp turned out to be leaking data?

Your words, not mine. I never made such claims, and you're trying to move the goalposts from "Meta does this" to "I'll be surprised if Meta does this".

At least according to Meta's marketing, WhatsApp is E2E encrypted. And they make ads just for this -- you can literally see billboards in NYC that advertises the encrypted messaging part of the product. It would completely destroy WhatsApp and Meta's brand if there is a backdoor somewhere. Well, Meta is never a great company to begin with, but nobody would ever lie about it and destroy their brand this way.

And I truly believe Meta has an incentive to do so. They had to reveal a conversation on Facebook Messenger on the topic of abortion after the police asked for it, which resulted in someone put in jail. Regardless of Meta's (or rather Zuck's) ever changing political position, they don't want to have liability over anything like this. They want to walk away and just say to the cops, look it's all encrypted, there's nothing we can share with you.

Better keep conspiracy theories to yourself. It's ok to question things, but better back that up with evidence.

The truth is even worse; reddit has enough of a profile built on you that they can predict your penchant for beyblades without even needing your whatsapp chats.