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No, it's not, as it means nobody is pushing for actually open models.

A truly open model has open code that gathers pre-training data, open pre-training data, open RLHF data, open RLAIF data generated from its open constitution and so on.

The binary blob is the last thing I'd want - as a heavy user of LLMs I'm actually more interested in the detail of what all training data is in full, than I am the binary blob.

IBM Granite is actually open https://www.ibm.com/granite

at least for the pre-training data there are some open source torrent clients [0].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42971446

Here's a real open one: https://allenai.org/olmo

Parent doesn't argue about that. How is this relevant?

This is the problem - we accept this approach and then they don't have to do any effort to correctly publish them in open means.

Cool, that’s not open source though.

That’s like a chef giving you chicken instead of beef and calling it vegetarian.

I’d say it’s more like eating Chicken Cordon Bleu and then asking the chef for a recipe, who replies, “Certainly! Step 1) Acquire Chicken Cordon Bleu, preferably cooked. Step 2) if uncooked, cook. Otherwise, consume