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If you design a webpage that looks like an app loading screen, and have to put the word "SCROLL" at the bottom, I think that's a design failure, for the same/similar reasons that "click here" links are.

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This is why in metro microsoft made the first screen go like 90% there instead of 100%, makes it clear that there is more content beneath.

That's not a bad idea, I've done something similar on other sites I've built before. The landing doesn't need to be 100vh.

It's also a recommendation in Material Design:

"Cut off grid tiles in the view’s initial scroll position to communicate the scroll direction for content overflow."

https://m1.material.io/components/grid-lists.html#grid-lists...

This loaded most of the way down the page for me, with the little grid diagram thing at the top of the screen. Causing me to immediately scroll upwards (a non-intuitive direction) really exemplifying the point, haha.

Are scrollbars to indicate scrollable content a design failure too? The site seems great to me, and I don't have issue with the explicit indicator.

Sadly, Firefox doesn't show the scrollbar by default. Stupid decision imo, but here we are.

What? That makes no sense -- scrollbars are there so you can drag them around and scroll, not just to indicate scrollable content. Not at all analogous in this case. The site looks nice overall, but the explicit indicator is bad design regardless.

Historically, at least, that is exactly what the scrollbar indicates, which is why it is either not shown at all, or shown disabled (i.e. visually distinct) if content is not scrollable.

In UX terms, the page above the fold doesn't afford scrolling. With a blank white background and nothing to help the eyes explore, it can take a bit to notice the scrollbar, especially if one's browser/OS doesn't have an obvious scrollbar style.

Any scrollbar would be nice, but I'd like to introduce you to mobile browsers that hide scrollbars by default.

Most desktops do that too, these days, and only display them on hover.

It was invisible to me. I just started scrolling without thinking. I guess I'm an Internet lover.

I disagree, and perceived it as a fun invitation. Come on- it was blinking!

I absolutely despise anything moving or blinking on websites when it's not in response to my own command. I usually immediately close tabs that do it. If I absolutely need to read a website, I will first use the inspector to nuke the element that is exhibiting the distraction. Otherwise I simply can't read anything and also retain it.

Glass houses man : https://theandrewbailey.com/

It's really clear that scrolls, as a post is cut off partway.

Would you mind expanding that thought? I don't literally tell people to scroll or to 'click here', and it hardly looks like a loading screen.

The site's been updated to reduce the intro height

I did not mind it.

Nudges can be helpful.

I think they were going for a very clean aesthetic that focused attention, which it does well. My only gripe is I find the blinking a bit annoying, it could have been a more subtle gradient.

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