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> extremely good products being free

All the Apple ecosystem is subsidized by the price of the iPhones and Macs. There is no excuse for putting ads in such expensive products. And it's one reason why I'm moving away from Apple but that's another story.

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What are you moving to? Windows is worse. Android phones have various issues with privacy or security. Linux products aren’t anywhere near ready (compare battery life between system76 and a MacBook for example). There just isn’t enough competition.

Android phones have fewer issues with privacy and security than Apple phones. You can install a fully offline mapping application on Android and have it be your default navigation app. Unlike with iOS (which tells Apple everything you've installed and run), you don't have to tell anyone you installed it, and also unlike iOS (which sends all GPS data to Apple), you don't have to tell anyone your GPS location. Apple marketing saying they care about privacy doesn't make it true.

What are good choices on phones? Pixel seems like it would leak things to Google. And as I understand Samsung phones have lots of preinstalled garbage.

Pixel with GrapheneOS if ypu want to take this seriously.

If you're in EU: Samsung falls under the DMA ruling, so you get to disable most superflous apps with a single checkbox at setup time.

You can install whatever you want on any Android phone from a reputable vendor, including Pixel phones. If you don't want to send data to Google (aside from OS updates), just replace any Google apps with non-Google apps.

The excuse is more free money. If millions of users rely on the Maps app for recommendations for food places and service centers, why shouldn't Apple exploit their position of power for financial gains?

Apple's ecosystem is the worst, except for all the others.

Moving to where?

Thinking of moving away from Apple as well.

I’m personally moving to the Fairphone with preinstalled e/os. A phone that I control, can repair, and has more privacy than the other OS is what I expected from Apple until the past decade where they decided that privacy was a joke.

It's simply not wise when everybody owns an iPhone and leaving iMessage will lead to social ostracization.

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