> ”Good luck writing highly interactive apps backend-only! (Like Figma or Google Docs). Even with frameworks like Phoenix and runtimes like WebAssembly, you still need a lot of Javascript to get there.”

You really don’t need to write JS directly to make a UI like Google Docs with Phoenix LiveView. You can write the whole thing in Elixir. Thanks LiveView.JS, there hasn’t been a need to write custom JS or hooks to avoid a round trip to the server for UI-only interactions for quite a while, either.