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EU criticises Trump's negotiation tactics in Ukraine peace talks

telegraph.co.uk

9 pointscoffeebeanHH12 comments

Is surrender a tactic?

I understand the criticism, Trump has essentially given away some core issues before negotiation starts, usually not what you want to do. However, a more favorable interpretation is that all knew these things were not really on the table, and it might help to build trust with Putin. My feeling is that it is hard to tell how this will play out for now..

Its also blatantly obvious, that he will roll over to the demands of authoritarians that are willing to scratch his weak ego. He is basically like Biden and Obama unable to stand up to any bully- a kingdom for a true hawk.

That is not obvious to me. Despite the many flaws I see in Trump, rolling over does not seem to be his first instinct. And European leaders surely are not above playing his ego either.

> rolling over does not seem to be his first instinct

He will if you scratch his ego, especially for actions which benefit him personally (rather than actions that benefit the people.... that is to say the people of Ukraine and the free world).

Can you give an example of when that happened?

Ukraine is an independent nation

if the EU wants to bankroll and arm Ukraine, and Ukraine wants to go on fighting, then by all means proceed

the outcome will be the same, just with more death and destruction

look at maps - Ukraine is not winning

Russia is not winning either but they also aren't losing

Russias conquered landmass is surrounded by suppressed ethnicities with an axe to grind. You do not get to have a moment of weakness in that region. You have a moment of weakness and then the aserbeidschanis, the turks, the chechyans and the chinese jump you and turn the yalu river red. Russias benefit was the tech transfer from europe to always stay ahead of the competition. They can not have a peaceful europe.

Russia's economy is doing very badly and with time they'll lose as long as west continues to support Ukraine.

Stalin killed 4 millions Ukrainians. They are still angry and worried for that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

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