NOAA's public weather data powers the local forecasts on your phone and TV
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Chesterton's Fence [1] would also seem to apply here, but I mostly think it's not even getting that far. DOGE isn't doing an audit (if it was, there would be auditors, not talented young programmers) and then taking action. DOGE is executing already planned actions, while pretending to be an audit, and helping itself to a great deal of access and data along the way.
This is the issue though. They think the safety net is the problem.
So in essence, they think these short term problems can be reversed once the pawns are replaced.
(1) https://www.thenerdreich.com/reboot-elon-musk-ceo-dictator-d...
I can't wait for them to come for GPS (run by DoD). All these people want to do is replace these government functions with a worse and more expensive private alternative but hey, someone gets to rent-seek massive profits, so that's OK. It's also a lesson in how for many things, them being run by a government entity is the best alternative.
If you want to see actual waste, how about a current sitting Senator and former Florida governor who, at the time, run a company that got the largest fine in history for defrauding Medicare to the tune of $1.7 billion [1], something for which nobody faced criminal prosecution.
[1]: https://www.factcheck.org/2014/06/floridas-medicare-fraud-fl...
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/feder...
There's been a big push to make NOAA go away so that private companies like AccuWeather be the one everyone turns to for their data. AccuWeather has been pushing for this for a long time--even before Trump's first term. We'll see how big their donations are perceived by how gutted NOAA becomes. As for military, the Air Force has it's own weather teams as well. I'd assume others do as well.
NOAA is ripe for President Musk's axe if Uncle Trump says so
Thank goodness that the UK and Canadian weather services have great forecasting capabilities, the public can turn to them for our weather needs.
Some things are just reliable, public infrastructure like roads or electricity that society finances one way or another. Anyone aiming to damage public infrastructure is trying to end the country.
Democracy is the idea that the voters know what they want, and they deserve to get it good and hard - H. L. Mencken
I'm not saying they were tricked at all. They were promised an administration that would strip the country down to the studs and be hateful and vicious to the most vulnerable people in society, and that's what we're getting.
We'll see if they go full Yarvin and completely delete the Constitution, nobody voted for that.
As someone who has had experience at NOAA, I'd like to point out that the way they manage information security seems really wasteful. All of the tools they need are present in the environment, but there has not been sufficient political will for the various sub-agencies to work together and integrate them holistically. The net effect is duplication of half-baked cyber security functions across NOAA. The line items are purchased but the sub-agencies lack the man-power to effectively implement what's possible because government processes are too much overhead. It doesn't help that their FISMA-reportable "systems" are their sub-agencies and not actual systems. The 'mangerial class' that Republicans have rallied against during the 2024 election is sucking the lifeblood out of NOAA's IT operations.
> The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) should be dismantled and many of its functions eliminated, sent to other agencies, privatized, or placed under the control of states and territories.
* https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA...
It's Wikipedia 'Talk' page is more interesting reading than the article itself.
The non-endorsement by Trump was a lie:
> He has also played a significant role in Project 2025, an initiative led by the Heritage Foundation that aims to advance conservative, right-wing policies and reshape the federal government.[3] […] In May 2024, Russell Vought was named policy director of the Republican National Committee platform committee.[83] The Center for Renewing America (CRA), founded by Vought, is on Project 2025's advisory board.[84] CRA drafted executive orders, regulations, and memos that could have laid the groundwork for rapid action on Trump's plans when he won.[85] The CRA identified Christian Nationalism as one of the top priorities for the second Trump term.[15] Vought claimed that Trump blessed the CRA, and that his effort to distance himself from Project 2025 was just politics.[85]
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Vought
Vought has been labelled as the 'architect' of Project 2025, and has been appointed as the director of the OMB.
"Senate confirms Project 2025 co-author as Trump budget chief"
But if you're being all insinuatey there's no rules, go for it! Welcome to the world of 'played a significant role in', 'could have laid the groundwork for', 'involved with' and 'claimed that', 'been labelled as'. Those are pieces of insinuate-string used to connect real things on looneyboards such as my favorite one in "A Beautiful Mind" that became a movie trope. Even Project 2025 Wikipedia is rational enough to say "Not to be confused with Donald Trump's package of proposals, Agenda 47."
Except rule over their own body, right? Because you seem to have forgotten who packed the SC to undo Roe v. Wade it seems.
One benefit to some is the continued assault on sources of truth: Academics, everyone even arguably left-wing, news media, science, now we lack a source of truth on weather. More generally, the idea of an apoltical, non-profit source of truth is actively denied and any example is destroyed. The CIA and FBI are other examples.
Without a source of truth, how can any public agreement or action form? All information becomes social media. Notice who controls that too: Meta, X, and also Bytedance will be beholden to the same people destroying all else.
Barry Myers of AccuWeather for one: they charge for their services. See "The Plan to Privatize Weather Forecasts":
* https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-what-pro...
* http://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archiv...
* https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/environment/...
John Oliver did a story about this in 2019 (Trump 1.0):
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGn9T37eR8
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Lee_Myers#Nomination_to_...
If NOAA discontinues free weather forecasts, everyone (news, websites, apps) will have to pay someone to get them.
Other services that depend upon weather will pass those fees down to me anyway, no reason to pay for it twice.
Congress should also be weighing in, but...
(One-half of) Congress couldn't be bothered to weight in when there was an attempted insurrection / self-coup:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_T...
SCOTUS really screwed the public with that immunity ruling
Oops. Looks like precedence has been set.
Healthcare is a curious example to choose, too, since US healthcare is probably one of the worst examples of corruption, waste, and inefficiency of any industry I can think of.
Simply stated, the idea is that it is a public good for businesses to know the weather as well as they can. For somewhat self evident reasons.
But not for the business who sell weather services. How can we maximize shareholder value and grow GDP if we don't financialize every possible things? /s
> The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) should be dismantled and many of its functions eliminated, sent to other agencies, privatized, or placed under the control of states and territories.
* https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA...
Weather.gov is a antidote from the add sponsored mess that weather websites are. Of course I suspect most people use phone apps now. But they have a lot of information on those pages, including weather discussions.
I follow this because my startup had to normalize for weather so we needed weather information. We went to "weatherunderground" (a play on a 60s era group perhaps?) and paid some money to get that weather data. They got bought by weathercompany/IBM. I had a developer account and could pull hourly weather information (I had grand plans to compare predictions vs actual) that got axed
weather.gov was always there. They don't have an api, but I love their weather graph which lets you look at a bunch of weather over the next couple days (and includes sunset and sunrise). Its very fast to read after a few days.
eg https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=42.3774&lon=-7...
Forecast discussion: https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=b...
I'm a big fan the GOES viewer: https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/goes/conus.php?sat=G16
I really appreciate how the NWS products make it easy to create custom widgets that you can embed in a webpage.
Depends upon the lesson, when it comes to harassment, the GOP learned and found ways to get the public to accept this.
Seems the only reason it failed was it seems Myers was found to be a sexual predator. These days, that seems to be a requirement to be the head of an agency.
https://www.politico.com/story/2012/01/7-year-old-attack-on-...
https://www.fastcompany.com/91274927/trump-wants-to-dismantl...
I'm sure Elon will provide AI-generated weather reports. Someday. Might be from Mars, but we won't have to deal with the smallest uniformed service.
Anyhoo, PBS said of the un-avowed Project 2025...
>Project 2025 would not outright end the National Weather Service. It says the agency “should focus on its data-gathering services,” and “should fully commercialize its forecasting operations.”
United Kingdom: The UK Met Office has a commercial arm that sells weather data and services to businesses. They provide tailored forecasts, climate data, and other meteorological services to various sectors, including agriculture, energy, and transportation.
Germany: The German Weather Service (DWD) offers commercial services alongside its public offerings. They provide specialized weather data and forecasts to businesses, particularly in industries that are heavily impacted by weather conditions.
Australia: The Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) in Australia has a commercial division that sells weather data and services to private companies. This includes tailored forecasts and access to specialized datasets for industries such as agriculture, mining, and aviation.
Canada: Environment and Climate Change Canada (ECCC) provides some commercial services, allowing businesses to access detailed weather data and forecasts for a fee. This is particularly useful for sectors that require precise weather information for operational planning.
Japan: The Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA) provides some data for free but also has commercial agreements with private companies that utilize their data for various applications, including weather forecasting and disaster management.
European Union: The European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF) offers commercial access to its data and forecasting services, allowing businesses to utilize high-quality meteorological information for decision-making.https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/services/data/external-data-cha...
https://www.dwd.de/EN/ourservices/_functions/search/search_F...
http://www.bom.gov.au/nwp/doc/access/NWPData.shtml
https://eccc-msc.github.io/open-data/msc-data/readme_en/
If they keep up Project 2025, I predict in about 10 years, they are going to get a very rude awakening, if not sooner.
You are optimistic. The supporters of Trump and his ilk ignore consistency as a rule. The exact same thing they insisted trump will never do so it's okay for him to be in power, they will then insist that actually no it's a good thing trump is doing that.
They opt in to a media environment wholly held by Rupert Murdoch, Elon, and Trump. They reject any reporting from other groups on principle. They keep saying "I haven't seen any <blank>" for any of the awful ideas this admin has because they literally don't see anything Fox News and friends haven't shown them. They get marching orders, not information.
Christ, it was only a few years ago that they insisted that Roe V Wade was "settled law" and totally safe and nobody wants to ban abortion and within a month of the lawsuit being brought, the entire narrative had switched to full bore "umm actually it's really bad ruling so we should get rid of it even though we make no effort to protect abortion rights also abortion is bad"
The true believers in Germany took until the red army was in berlin before they really fucking got that the Nazis had filled them with lies, were utterly incompetent, and had thrown millions of their best boys to die for a conspiracy theory. I hope it's also clear from things going on in germany right now, plenty of true believers didn't even figure it out then!
If trump continues Project 2025, you WILL be hearing how women are actually too hormonal and emotional to manage money and shouldn't be allowed to have credit cards. You WILL be hearing about how single mothers shouldn't be allowed to raise kids and so we should end no fault divorce.
Long term climate is not weather forecasting. Our 7-days are getting pretty good, though they run a bit warm (watch the high peaks on the temp forecast sink a little on successive days as they approach tomorrow.) Some of NOAA's long climate forecasts are actually a danger to NatSec because they misrepresent the likelihood and impact of severe Winter events. Go ahead, read between the lines of what I am saying.