What happens to your online accounts when you die?
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A few notes of interesting things I’ve found:
Observing inbound mail for over a year is by far the best way to learn where a person has accounts. I found a ton of services that weren’t listed in the password file by seeing “year end summary” or “we’ve updated our terms” emails. And then of course email access is useful to reset the password and get in.
No one sends more fucking email than politicians. It’s honestly insane how many emails came in daily to this account from all sorts of a candidates, from all over the country. The email list sharing is blatant and rampant. And without regular pruning (unsubscribing, marking as spam), the volume just grows and grows.
Some companies have very handy “close and delete this account” features. Some let you end a paid subscription, but there’s no way to remove the account. In one case I killed a subscription to a paper and then was able to log in as the deceased 4 years later! But many services do prune: in many cases, trying to log in years later failed.
When there was not a “delete account” feature, I filed a support request to delete, explaining that the account holder had passed away. When that did not work I filed a legal request to delete personal data, citing the data privacy law of the state in which the deceased resided. That worked well.
I ended up paying to keep the deceased’s phone number active for a while because I kept finding accounts that were set to send SMS codes to permit login. The deceased was good about security, which ended up costing me, ha. Notably, the mobile provider never cut off the number or seemed to notice that a dead person’s phone was still active. As long as the bill gets paid, they don’t look too closely I guess.
Isn’t it nice how politicians excluded themselves from most of the rules regulating businesses regarding spam and email laws.
There are even auto-calls https://www.ouest-france.fr/elections/presidentielle/preside...
"Hello this is Eric Zemmour"
> Soit vous avez indiqué votre numéro de téléphone sur un formulaire à destination du parti ou du candidat, soit il s’est procuré votre numéro en achetant ou en louant une base de données – contenant votre numéro – auprès d’une société privée.
So it can be basically any source.
In the US, when are things not in 'election mode'?
LinkedIn enters the chat. I have given up trying to turn off email notifications from LinkedIn. One of the last acts I did with my FB account was to finally get it to stop sending emails, yet LI refuses to stop.
However, email from LinkedIn is not something I’ve had an issue with, personally.
I've ported a few numbers that I wanted to keep for a bit without needing the cell plan any longer to a Google Voice account. Then I just forward the number to my own cell phone.
I wish I had known this. After my father passed away a few years ago, I had a password list but some accounts required 2FA, and unfortunately I didn't have access to his phone. It locked me out of some services where I would have liked to have archived the data, like photos and posts.
At some point though, data is similar to material possessions - someone has to spend the effort of keeping it archived and accessible. Eventually people move on and the data is either forgotten or lost. And it's OK to let it go, nothing lasts forever.
I keep a list of services I closed or asked for my account to be removed and forgot. Today you even often have to make an account to take a look at a tech demo, because the author tries to avoid abuse of their AI service key they used for such demo.
After about two years many of these services start sending me messages again. Sometimes it turns out that the account is active again.
Recently a recruiter send me an email with a standard cold call: "I have a position that will be a perfect fit for you". I asked where she got my contact and how's that position be a perfect fit, trying to get a feel what she actually knows about me. She said she got the my profile from LinkedIn. When I asked her to post me a link to my profile it turned out the profile was closed. Somehow LI kept the profile and shared my details when she used some recruiter features. ;)
They are absolute trash, scum of the earth, when it comes to respecting users (Nextdoor does the same, they did it more often at first, I think every six months).
Sure it's my fault for not paying attention, but what kind of default is that?
The Microsoft kind
I still get emails from recruiters a couple of times a month.
LinkedIn leaks your private data even if instructed not to do so.
I die tomorrow, I don’t think you really MUST save my stuff, especially anything digital. If I haven't already shared it with you, it's not yours to have.
Anything important like bank accounts can already be accessed by family with a death certificate; everything else, doesn't matter.
What happens to my online accounts after I die? None of my business, I'm dead.
I think it's worth talking about. There are far bigger problems facing many societies, but it doesn't hurt to think about this one too.
On the topic of Steam, according to their terms of service, you buy non-transferable licenses for access, and they will argue you can't inherit the games of a deceased person: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/05/after-you-die-your-st... . This follows a tradition of digital media providers asserting deep control over things that you might think you "own" : https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18am...
(I had a hard time fitting this thread into the blog post and eventually cut it)
Unless the matter of concern is a legal or financial one (eg: bank accounts, pensions, insurance, etc.), quite literally nothing and nobody else requires knowledge that the account holder passed away.
Never tell Valve that your gamer dad passed away and they will be none the wiser and noone will have any problems as you "inherit" his account and its associated games. You're not trying to defraud Social Security as a 150 year old, after all (...right?).
Why take the chance for games that you can get DRM-free and transfer independently from some live service.
Please don't state something as a matter-of-fact if you don't know it to be true but just merely believe it to be true. Otherwise please link to an instance where a probate court has ordered it with a successful outcome.
It seems like a novel idea and I hope someone tries it and posts about it.
Death and grief are challenging experiences and I certainly don't want to diminish anyone's suffering. That said, I prefer to take the opposite approach and acknowledge that digital ephemera are truly not very important, with the small exception of a relatively short period (<10 years) after your death. I don't exactly have a "solution" in mind, but I reject the notion that we should preserve online artifacts forever as part of an individual's legacy.
I don't think the author was necessarily suggesting that online artifacts should be preserved forever, but this line stuck out to me and I felt that I didn't agree with the sentiment.
Oh well.
I kind of wish there was an inactive account setting as default, where every account was disabled after 1 year of inactivity (but keept the user name to prevent squatting), then sent a yearly reminder and deleted them after 10 years or something.
Part of this discussion is making it easier for those that come after us. So if you care about others, than this might matter to you. If you only care about yourself, then it truly does not matter.
I’ve been able to get Facebook to close a couple of her profiles but for the rest they keep asking for the same documentation over and over again (death certificate and funeral booklet) but will not take any action.
Defcon talk about the security of death certificates, and what happens to your life if you are targeted by this attack.
but thanks for making me smile.