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DeepSeek transfer users' data directly to the Chinese government

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12 pointsironyman20 comments

And openAI has the former NSA chief on the board. Which government has the motivation to utilize your data against you specifically? Perhaps the one of the country you reside? Who knows.

And which country has some checks and balances and which has none? If an autocratic leaders wants you to disappear, you disappear. And journalists inside the nation will never talk about you again. Apart from maybe that you have retired, are an amazing painter now, and are having a lovely time.

Joe Tsai about his former Alibaba co-founder: https://youtu.be/KveMLJNhwkc

I genuinely don’t know which country you believe has checks and balances.

Instead of reading about how “terrible” the US system is, I encourage readers to listen to what historians say about autocratic regimes and to see whether these things still apply today.

One difference for example is that in the West, it is allowed to criticize your own government. In autocratic regimes on the other hand it might cause you to “retire” early.

Yes, censorship incidents like the red scare, Hollywood blackballing, and outright assassinations (hi Fred Hampton) would definitely never happen in the United States.

That’s why Bush illegally wiretapping every American citizen was excusable - Bush would never retaliate against critics, like trying to kill Valerie Plame for exposing his lies.

Guantanamo has big fat checks and balances.

It's gotta be the one with an unelected billionaire installing spyware in all government administrations.

This is after they had been caught wiretapping every citizen in the country, with controls so loose that analysts could use it to stalk their exes.

Right, its safer to have private capital police state.

An adversarial government having mass access to user data and social behavior information is worse because they can use it to compromise and recruit individuals to do real damage. Although debatable, the NSA is supposed to have the intentions to protect us, not inflict chaos.

Which govt is more adversarial to me personally?

One can arrest me, one has no jurisdiction

The one not partnering with terrorists and cartels while shipping mass amounts of fentanyl and disruptors across the US border.

> One can arrest me, one has no jurisdiction

One does not care about your rights or jurisdiction and can do much worse covertly.

So did you ever read about opioids..coming...across the pharmaceuticals...being perscribed by...doctors...at the behest of corporations...who are held unaccountable?

Sounds more like you're stuck on red herrings instead of actual concerns about the people in the united states of america.

We do not have another substance as effective as opioids for treatment of acute and chronic pain. Yes, Americans deal with chronic health issues and chronic pain, partially attributed to CCP chemical lobbying efforts. They were over prescribed, that practice has changed due to regulatory effort, and lawsuits were brought and won against the worst offenders. Some think that the addiction crisis was amplified or exported from China to begin with as an act of covert warfare.

Shipping mass amounts of fentanyl precursors to organized crime agents to flood our streets is a whole different matter, surely you can see the difference? Street pills laced or cut with fentanyl KILL people. Addiction to street availability causes mass mental health issues and homelessness.

What about... doesn't make for debate in good faith.

We've been through this various times with different drugs and different source countries. Step back from the present to look at the big picture. Fentanyl will be replaced by some other drug in due time

The issue is that we don't address the symptoms, just the causes. The current political environment doesn't allow us to have long-term thinking and problem solving. It's all about scoring political points for the ruling class

Ok, but when the drugs are _coming form inside the house_, it's abit different.

We're talking actual doctors and big pharma addicting millions of americans.

Sorry man, if you don't give two cents about doctors and businesses doing "legal" drug dealing, you don't really care about border drugs either.

This is just a silly and apt conclusion.

I think you are misinterpreting my position. I have a problem with the drug epidemic whether they come from inside or outside the house. I've seen lives destroyed.

What I'm trying to point out is that you can spend immense effort on the supply side and nothing will change overall. This has been going on for 50+ years. We need to change our perspectives and approach to the demand side of we want to actually do something about it

If the Chinese government wants data from a Chinese company, all they have to do is ask. There is no practical legal basis for them to refuse.

Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42953750

So uh, you know how the MPAA and DRM and the Cable companies and take down notices all drive people go piracy; well, now the American government and it's own oligarchy are driving people to China.

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