Hesitant to recommend proton since they can't stay out of politics, I don't think mullvad has any similar slipups: https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-tru...
Sources: https://therecord.media/protonmail-forced-to-collect-an-acti... https://x.com/andyyen/status/1884907496705339544
Not wishing to be negative, but how (or more specifically for how long) can any provider refuse to cooperate with law enforcement/the legal system?
See Lavabit, Tor Mail, Telegram, EncroChat, Sky ECC and others.
You know that Telegram is giving plenty much of information in these days?
They even changed the privacy policy.
https://techstartups.com/2024/09/06/telegram-silently-update...
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/23/tech/telegram-ceo-durov-a...
A strawman mod to protonmail could be to mandate the use of a VPN
So when law enforcement and/or a three-letter agency rocks up with the legal paperwork (whether it be a National Security Letter or a local equivalent) and demands that "the system" be changed to start collecting the information they require, how should managers and engineers respond?
At least, that was my experience.
Apple gets lots of shit for a multitude of reasons, but their stance of "We built it to be securely encrypted from everyone but the owner; if you want to change that then fuck you, make me" is something everyone involved with should be proud of
Realistically, we can't all be one of the richest companies in the modern era. Not every corporation has both morals, and pockets deep enough to pick a fight with not just a government, but the government of the country they're headquartered in. Frankly, shutting down like Lavabit is one of the better realistic scenarios if you're making promises of guaranteed privacy
I think this is easier: there isn't a single corporation on the earth with morals. Morality and profit-chasing are not generally coherent principles. Nobody doing any good on this earth has a need for an LLC.
Sure, except if there's a nondisclosure provision...
"A national security letter is an administrative subpoena issued by the United States government to gather information for national security purposes. NSLs do not require prior approval from a judge. NSLs typically contain a nondisclosure requirement forbidding the recipient of an NSL from disclosing the FBI had requested the information."
That's a good question.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple–FBI_encryption_dispute
As a result of this, Apple released a series of tools such as iCloud Advanced Security where they don't even have the keys (but causes user support issues, users can now "lose everything" with no recourse, which is why this isn't on by default; most users' "threat model" is more risk from deleting themselves accidentally than of nation state disclosure), along with the new feature that a phone not being actively used turns itself, off, and a few more things.
// See also: https://www.wired.com/story/the-time-tim-cook-stood-his-grou... or https://archive.is/fvAqN
when they got that court order that wanted them to retain logs, they , challenged it immediately- and the rulingcame down - and they won.
They can no longer be compelled to cooperate in cases of crimes in other countries that match crimes in Swiss laws, as happened here- and this happened because they fought back -it just took time for the ruling to come down.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/protonmail-wins-privac...
https://protonmail.com/blog/court-strengthens-email-privacy/
So they are in a good position on that aspect -most countries aren't as solid legally.
Not that it matters though, since I assume all of us here know how encryption works.
I guess that is to be expected by msm, good promo for proton imo.