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The best part of this article for me was seeing that Oracle's screenshots were taken in IE.

Yes, those are old by now, but it's still a blast from the past.

IE11 was still 6-years old at the time of that screenshot (based on the Node versions), and 3 months from EOL on pre-Windows 10.

I wouldn't say 2019 is particularly old. I didn't even know IE still existed at the time - I thought it had been replaced by Edge.

Believe it or not IE was still supported in some capacity until 2022, and the underlying Trident engine is still supported until at least 2029. Edge has an official "IE Mode" which switches the backend from Chromium to Trident, effectively turning it into IE with a modern skin. Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke.

>Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke.

Except for Mail and Calendar that they randomly decided to murder and replace with some Outlook webapp garbage.

They'll support anything nearly forever if that's what their big support contracts want, but unfortunately their interests won't always align with yours...

Yeah of course haha just ranting

For business plans the old Outlook is still supported until "at least 2029" [1]. That's four more years to switch. And Microsoft hasn't even committed to stopping support at that date, they just don't want to promise more. I fully expect them to extend it because some large customers won't have switched.

What is unusual is how pushy Microsoft is in trying to get people to switch now instead of in the last second. And of course the quick murder of the consumer email thingy

[1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/outlook/new-outlook...

I specifically mean Windows Mail and Windows Calendar, the fairly minimalist apps, rather than Outlook, which is way too exhausting to use for my personal email and calendar. Plus the Outlook app has ads.

That sounds dangerous.

The good news is that most of the web simply doesn't work in Trident at this point, so users won't be tempted to use it for anything other than the 20 year old ActiveX horror that their company refuses to replace.

which switches the backend from Chromium to Trident, effectively turning it into IE with a modern skin

I wish they'd done the opposite instead: same UI, but with a better browser engine.

    > better browser engine

I'm confused. Are you saying Chromium or Trident browser engine is better? And, in 2025, is there a better engine than Chromium?

IE UI, Chromium engine.

No trolling: Isn't that Microsoft Edge?

No?

Edge still looks almost exactly like any other Chromium version?

> And, in 2025, is there a better engine than Chromium?

WebKit and Gecko are way better

I wish someone recreated Netscape Navigator UI with the Gecko engine. I can't give any reasons, I just wish it.

That's what Netscape was...especially after the release of Firefox.

This is useful to me because a) it still allows http basic auth, which is disabled by policy in my workplace for Edge/Blink, and b) because it otherwise allows dual logins and credentials to the same site, in the same browser.

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