Valve’s Newell: Windows 8 “catastrophe” driving Valve to embrace Linux
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Kinda seems like the pot calling the kettle black.
Also, in the article I don't think Gabe Newell ever says that the problem with Windows is that it is closed per se. It's not as though he fails to realize that Steam is not open source software.
That having been said, I don't understand why Steam being a closed platform makes your users more likely to buy from them. And in that sense, what is an "open" store? Apt/Yum/etc?
Just look at the ios app store, the top is generally freemium games or games that are actually thinly veiled skinner boxes with some nice art. Either that or casual games that have broad appeal because they are simple games.
On Steam you get top billing for at least 2 weeks after release.
Some open store examples: Desura, Indievania, XBLIG, android, even the mac app store is pretty open compared to Steam.
But people shouldn't take that motivation as something that makes what Newell is saying automatically wrong. He's far from the only person to say Win8 is going to be a disaster for MS - perhaps it is worth looking at the possibility he is actually right.
According to the article, Gabe is concerned with Windows Store and Xbox Live integration, fearing those would compete too strongly with Steam.
Features such as Xbox LIVE integration could make the Windows Store and Windows 8 a more appealing platform for gamers and developers alike than Steam.
Hell, Origin isn't even that threatening to Steam, and that's a directly analogous service.
The user experience of what should have been mission critical Microsoft products - from Windows Live for Games to Adcenter is horrible. Horrible to a degree that whoever is responsible for them either never cared or should have been left managing McDonalds. That's too bad.
Yes, nothing Microsoft has right now comes close to comparing with the Steam user experience. (EA's Steam copycat also sucks, Gamestop's purchase of Impulse leaves a lot of judgement questions as well.)
Too right. My first experience of G4WL was GTA-IV. That experience is the reason I didn't bother reinstalling GTA-IV when I rebuilt my machine not long afterwards, and why I've not bought any games use/require G4WL since.
My games purchases since have all been through Steam, GoG, and Humble Bundles. Even games I might otherwise have paid full (or near full) price for have not been touched if they have G4WL anywhere near them.
Be careful when getting Games through Steam: there are some that still force you to faf around with G4WL (i.e. they will refuse to run if you don't) rather than having the option of using Steam's features instead for the same tasks (syncing of game saves and such).
The experience was irritating enough that when making a game buying decision I make a concerted effort to make sure I avoid a repeat in future. Compared to the Steam experience it, well, really didn't compare.
(I have some complaints with Steam too, nothing is perfect, but nothing that irritates to the point of stopping me using it to purchase and maintain games)
There are other problems with Windows 8, but I think the closed ARM version is a really big one.
Nobody is going to go out of their way to buy it, the only installs it will get is as OEM's on new hardware.
And I bet even the OEMs will offer Windows 7 for as long as they can.
I think if users _have_ to have something different they will seriously consider OSX and Linux. One is more polished on better hardware for people who have money and want the best. The other is free for people who don't care.
My (non-technical) girlfriend recently needed a reformat, so on a whim I installed the 8 RC to see what her reaction would be.
She loves it. It is, quite simply, the first Windows release that presents software in a friendly and usable way that allows the non-technical user to get just as much from a PC as they could from a Mac.
Difference drives the uptake of software, otherwise we'd still be on Windows 95. 8 is just as rock stable as 7, but faster, and with an interface that is more logical and easy to grasp. I see no reason why it won't be a huge success (besides some kind of major corporate-IT catastrophe).
Newell's comments are leveled at Microsoft's monopoly on software distribution for Windows RT, which may in fact cause a disruption much like the one he outlines. The consumer, however, will finally learn what the "flag button" on their keyboard is for.
I doubt any technical users will have any interest in Metro apps on PCs. The same features that make non-techies feel less affronted with interface elements will feel childish to experienced users. (Just take a look at the HN discussions surrounding the skeumorphic calendar app in Moutain Lion - its the same distaste, just to a lesser degree.)
And, if you don't get any benefit from the Metro apps or start 'menu', you really don't get much benefit out of 8.
Gabe is absolutely correct to offer Steam on Linux. Many technical Windows users who have invested in their PCs (read: many gamers) will use their distaste as an opportunity to try Ubuntu. People are always looking for something new, especially in regards to software.
None of this, I believe, will make 8 a business failure for MS.
Comfort is only one of the huge driving factors in these sorts of scenarios. That Microsoft has given up the mantle of comfort in the name of pushing forward is probably a good thing. Had they stuck with comfort, I'd still have to support the nightmare that was IE5. ^_^ Now you see big companies turning to Apple in the hopes of not only seeming more urban and modern to the people they're recruiting, but also to hopefully keep a very standard set of features and UI: it is quite possible, if admittedly a little crazy-sounding, to imagine that in ten years or so the post-Jobs Apple will reverse places with the post-Gates Microsoft.
Ultimately, if you change others, and others change you, that is a building-block for love in the most general sense. The things that we are fanatical about are the programming languages that really changed our lives, the operating systems that we put in the effort to understand and master, the technologies which altered our workflows and our day-to-day living. Love is always transformative, and Microsoft was getting too stagnant to be loved. Only time can tell whether their present changes will bring back some of that fanaticism which is sorely lacking.
Is this at all true? If you spent an identical sum of money on a PC would you not get better hardware?
I use Linux and I care, probably too much, about it.
And the low and midrange win8 devices are all going to be ARM/Metro only.
So, Steam on Windows has no future. Nor does origin. Welcome to the consolification of all consumer computing devices.
How much work would it take to get Adobe apps working on Linux?
I ask because aside from games, which Mr Newell is clearly all over, Adobe is one of the main reasons I hear quoted for why people can't switch to Linux.
I've also noticed that Gimp makes jpgs of lesser quality, smaller, but noticeably trashier.
I take it the difficulty of making these apps work in Linux is basically impossible?
It was previously discussed here: http://hackerne.ws/item?id=4253887
PS: why is hackerne.ws better indexed by Google than news.ycombinator.com ?
In case you didn't know: MS provides images for different versions of Windows and Internet Explorer for exactly that purpose: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=115...
And how many business apps are being built for windows right now, compared to the number that are being built of iOS and osX right now?
I guess that the latter has much more activity...
The more of a switch to Linux for power users, the more we see applications developed for Linux, and the more we see a need for regular users to switch to a Linux platform.