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Does blocking non citizens from voting count as “suppressing voter turnout”? It’s all just politics and words, and we’ve picked our side and so we use the language that best supports it. Is someone pro-life, or are they anti women’s rights? Is someone pro-choice, or are they pro-baby-murder.

How does one actually convince someone of the “rightness” of their side? It somehow starts with love your enemies, though if I say that to my more right wing friends it means capitulate to whatever the progressives want. All I know is the spirit of the age is evil.

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That is not what they did: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

Passing laws to make it harder to vote, and easier to challenge a persons voter registration and ballot, and then running an operative campaign to specifically target voters on the other side of the political spectrum is a bit different than "just politics". Legal, sure. Ethical, moral, fair, absolutely not.

Eh, it’s all politics. I’m sure they are trying to win however they can, don’t sit there and be so naive to think the other side wouldn’t be perfectly happy to let illegal immigrants vote if it benefited them.

I’m all for fairness. For example I think we should weight votes, where everyone gets one vote for each dollar of taxes they pay.

I also want to see all landlords structure rental contracts so that the renter pays the property taxes, if rent was 2k a month but there are $500 in property taxes a month, rent would become $1500 plus $500 property taxes. That way the immediate effects of voting for tax increases is felt acutely and their blame can go on themselves instead of their “greedy landlord”.

> I’m all for fairness. For example I think we should weight votes, where everyone gets one vote for each dollar of taxes they pay.

You are joking right? Honest, question, what life experiences have you had that make you think that this would be a good idea. It would effectively mean a handful of billionaires would control the country.

> I also want to see all landlords structure rental contracts so that the renter pays the property taxes

It is a free market. Outside of a handful of places with rent control, nothing is stopping them from doing that. And if you think splitting out property taxes as a separate line item will somehow make tenants think that landlords, the vast majority of whom increase their rents to the absolute maximum that the market will bear, are somehow not greedy, I think you have a pretty bad handle on what it is like to be in the renter class.

> It would effectively mean a handful of billionaires would control the country.

Is that not what we have already. Do you really think your vote matters?

I don’t think my tenants ever thought I was greedy. And I don’t think a vast majority of landlords who aren’t some big corporation are. Though people will think they are regardless, so just want them to sure the accusation of greed with that of the bureaucrats, and the public schools who simply flush money down the toilet.

I think if landlords structured rental contracts that way (and maybe give a $50 discount if you choose that option), you will see a huge amount of school levies fail which is a net win for society.

> Is that not what we have already. Do you really think your vote matters?

At least in the current setup, they are required to maintain and fund a vast propaganda apparatus, lobbying efforts, and political organizations in order to secure their power. And even with all that effort, they still only have a tenuous control over our institutions. Your proposal would literally just hand the keys over to them.

> I don’t think my tenants ever thought I was greedy

As a lifelong renter, who has for the most part had relatively good relationships with my landlords over the years, I can assure you that they do. At the very least, they probably don't have a very positive opinion of you, even if they are nice to you in person. After decades of financialization of our housing market, we now have an entire swath of our population locked out of the housing market. And if you think these folks like handing over a significant chunk of their income each month to a bunch of rent-seekers, I think you are solely mistaken.

So when I kept guy in the detached studio as a tenant when I bought the house, and just kept his rent what he was paying already and didn’t raise his rent over the 4 years I had the place, when I could’ve easily gotten 30% more in the market, he still thought I was greedy? Or when I liked the idea of just giving him every December free for Christmas he thought I was greedy. Or when he asked if he could pay half rent and then two weeks later pay the other half cuz his baby mama got arrested and he had to take care of his daughter and instead I just said why not just have a free month, he thought I was greedy.

Dang, I guess I should’ve just gotten all the money I could’ve if tenants feel that way regardless.

Non citizens cannot vote for presidents.

Oh but they have tried. And if you listen to the progressive left, if we try to make sure that remains true, then we are suppressing the vote.

Why are you bringing up nonsense hypotheticals when there's real voter suppression. Trumps stolen election ignited states to create many new restrictive voter laws and threw out millions of votes in swing states alone.

You sound like those who voted for Trump in 2020. But you might be right, but then so they may have been.

Trump won because enough people were sick of the garbage they heard from the progressive left being crammed down their throats.

How people can think a billionaire like him relates to the average guy, is quite crazy, but just shows how incredibly bad the democrats are at actually relating to the people.

I didn’t vote for him the first two times, but after I saw his immediate response to the assassination attempt, I knew I would this time. There are millions like me.

I’m all for making it more difficult to vote. Let’s just be ruled by a set of elites like we already are, but at least be honest about it.

If I get what I truly want it won’t really matter as much who is president because the federal government would have like a 1/10 of its power and a 1/10 of its budget, and states and local municipalities would have far more say. Ultimately I think the 18th century anti-federalists were right. I hope Trump just lays waste to the federal government agencies and completely neuters it.

> I hope Trump just lays waste to the federal government agencies and completely neuters it.

That would be completely illegal and unconstitutional. If that's the way things are going to go, you're definitely not going to like what will happen when the power is wielded by someone who doesn't align with you politically.

And I've got a brand new shipment of bridges to sell you if you think Trump is out here about to neuter the power of the federal government. He is consolidating power.

So no different than Biden and Obama and Bush. Oh well.

At least it is enjoyable to see progressives squirm. And to gut dept of education and usaid, both very solid ideas so far.

I don't think your comment fully considers the recent history of presidential power. Biden argued in court against Trump to not consolidate power at the executive level. He was against Trump's idea of presidential immunity. Then he refused to use the power given to him, and on his way out of office implored the country to reconsider.

He also signed into law bills that were passed explicitly to reduce the president's power because of the way he saw Trump abuse it.

> And to gut dept of education and usaid, both very solid ideas so far.

You may agree with these ideas now, but you should go through thr proper channels to get rid of them. Otherwise, things you like will just disappear by fiat the first time a progressive is in office.

https://hartmannreport.com/p/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won...

Numbers are published by U.S. Elections Assistance Commission. Read it if you want.

They'll dismantle the federal state alright. But not for the reasons you think or want.

https://www.vcinfodocs.com/venture-capital-extremism

https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no

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