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Agreed. I came here to post basically the same line.

>without ... trying to create some other application on top of Meteor to sell

I hope I dont see millions of dollars of time spent on abstraction and magic, or losing sight of a scientific process or an ability to correct fundamental architectural flaws that would challenge or invalidate the need for or the existence of what is now meteor, just because there has been introduced a fiduciary duty. Introspection on the fundamental usefulness and proper use cases in comparison to competition or existing equivalents is an ongoing dialogue that would be unprofessional to dismiss. Meteor is for everything? I really doubt that. Dont think about proper tools for the job, dont think about how to really scale out javascript architecture or solve that problem without subjectivity, dont think simplicity, just think meteor?

Marketing like this seems out of place in open source -- especially javascript frameworks -- which in proper form is most functional as a meritocracy. Along this continuum we will see meteor probably fitting right in at oscon, and maybe thats where they want to be, because it seems like its just going to be enterprise software with a hipster twist, donning open source as an applause light.

>Meteor was also a stealth participant in the S11 cycle of Y Combinator.

Sorry to be more cynical than everyone else in this comment thread, meteor guys, but I had red flags going up about meteor the first time it was posted on HN and I saw testimonials for a javascript framework that wasnt even production ready.

This is an open source javascript web framework: https://github.com/meteor/meteor/blob/master/app/server/serv... https://github.com/senchalabs/connect#authors

The testimonials were a bit weird, esp. since they came from people who presumably weren't using the framework. Once we all realized this was a YC thing, what happened was quite clear. YC and YC partners was throwing their valley knowhow and marketing heft into "selling" a framework in a very early stage -- and very successfully, given the wide interest it has sparked and the $11M they've just raised.

I think this is a bit of a wait and see game, since this is experimental on a number of levels. On one hand, YC has started selling certain companies before they are ready on the basis of super-smarts and presumed future output. VC is willing to put in cash and see what happens. Everyone wants a piece of the next "Rails" and to create an ecosystem there, although probably no one is exactly certain what it will take to gel.

In short, I'd say that the red flags are justified, but also it is cool to see the potential ecosystem for an open source project go from zero to sixty in a few seconds because of YC and co. From the moment I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and hope that the hype is for real. The world could use something better than rails and a slick Javascript MVCish framework would be very nice.

YC and YC partners was throwing their valley knowhow and marketing heft into "selling" a framework in a very early stage -- and very successfully, given the wide interest it has sparked and the $11M they've just raised.

Gah. No. Raising $11M is not success. Raising $11M is putting yourself $11M in debt to investors. They will be successful when enough people are using, and paying for, Meteor that they turn a healthy profit. They are far from success right now. Arguably, further than before they took the money.

Oh, please. Fundraising is a point of success. Equity is not debt. As is more than clear, "healthy profits" are not necessary for an acquirer to find value in a property. It is easier to argue that they are closer to more success.

As the guy that raised the $11M, I agree completely. It is terrifying and a huge risk.

IMO, the biggest downside to raising a lot of money is that you are no longer accountable to anyone. You can run around saying "We're rockstars! We're winners! Catered dinners! Aeron chairs!" for years, even if you make no progress and produce nothing of value. At least if you stick to the "right" cocktail parties.

untog, I'm counting on people like you to call us out if we get slow, fat, stupid, lazy, and arrogant. Ultimately, we will be measured by what we ship, or better, what other people ship on top of Meteor.

> IMO, the biggest downside to raising a lot of money is that you are no longer accountable to anyone. You can run around saying "We're rockstars! We're winners! Catered dinners! Aeron chairs!" for years, even if you make no progress and produce nothing of value.

Aren't you accountable to those you've raised money from?

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